The problem with ammo and component supplies, some new facts

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So is it Cerberus Capital Management that owns RemArms or Round Hill Capital?
Neither.

When Remington filed for Bankruptcy, the Bankruptcy Court ordered Remington to set aside a chunk of money for settlements.
It's my understanding that what just happened was NOT Remington (which no longer exists as the company that was sued and filed for bankruptcy) that settled, but the Bankruptcy Court settled the issue.
So, this settlement hasn't set a new precedent, nor made it easier to sue firearms companies, it just cleared the bankruptcy court's case.

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WildRose, first I appreciate the summary in the OP. Not surprising but still good to know.

With regards to "half the population" that you're referencing here, a large component of that would probably say something to the effect "we have to do something about these shootings". Those people are much less concerned about the collateral damage than they are "please do something". And that is the key to how law-abiding gun owners can win their hearts and minds. I will not claim to be smart enough to have a solution :)
An armed society is a well behaved society
 
Beto lies out of both sides of his mouth and when his lips move, hes lying. If he ever got elected which he wont, in Texas, he'd then flip again and try to confiscate all guns. Thats who he is! A sorry politician and a poor liar.
Beto is a d politician….. so with that he will flip flop wherever the puppet handlers tell him to go. He will be for it now but after the election and he gets the votes to win, he'll flip again back the way the NWO wants him to fillip.
 
Thanks for the explanation, Wild Rose. It all makes sense.

One question: if manufacturers ever get caught up, will shelf prices ever return to what they were 2 years ago?
 
Most of our available US Powders are actually made in the US. What I was told and I think he was credible is that the biggest issue with powders isn't the supply chain, it's the exponential increase in demand.

Remember that demand isn't even led by reloaders but by the ammo manufacturers themselves. We literally just get the leftovers.
I just looked and the powders I shoot mostly, H4843sc, H4350, and H 4895 all say made in Australia and packaged in USA—
 
We have an opportunity to throw a grenade into the anti gun movement in November. I hope no matter what else is going on we can mobilize the public to get out and vote "pro gun, pro ammo, pro hunting" when they are considering candidates.

Unfortunately our traditional biggest weapon the NRA is so mired in controversy right now I don't think they are going to be a big part of the solution at least until the lawsuits and court cases get resolved.

We're going to have to be more pro active as individuals than ever before to make sure we can block any new restrictions at least until there's a change in presidents.

If you want to see what the future political landscape is going to be like take a look at how Beto O'Rourke has completely flipped on 2nd Amendment issues now that he's attempting to run against our current governor.

Two years ago he was among the most outspoken extremists proposing gun bans and even confiscation of "assault weapons" whereas today he'd have you believe he was the greatest defender of the 2nd Amendment in the last century.

Be sure when considering candidates you look at their history, not just the current rhetoric. We've seen all too often that once they get into office, no matter how they run to win they will are willing to throw their constituents off a cliff once they have power and who they really are and always have been comes out.
I voted at my local Brazoria County Elections
I was surprised and pleased that on the ballot it asked Pro Gun Questions.
Come November we can really make change happen in our favor⁹
 
Shot gun shooters have been asking for years now, is lead shot ever going down? Once the manufacturers see the retail price is there to stay, I don think it will ever come down, and the same goes for reloading brass components, they will not come down to where they use to be.
 
I just looked and the powders I shoot mostly, H4843sc, H4350, and H 4895 all say made in Australia and packaged in USA—
Yes, I think only Accurate, Ramshot, and some Winchester powders are made in USA.....Almost all the Hodgdons are made in Australia, most IMRs in Canada, Vihtavuori in Finland, Alliant in Switzerland and maybe Belgium
 
There is some good news in there, in that some of the items are starting to make it to the shelves a trickle at a time. For the next six months or so though that trickle is only going to improve slowly.

With Federal/CCI doubling primer production and the new manufacturer coming online there's at least hope on the horizon, something we really haven't had for several years now.

It's going to benefit us politically in the long term to have so many millions of new shooters and hunters entering the shooting sports but for the short term it's going to mean tighter supplies of everything from rifles to primers and of course correspondingly higher prices.

Apparently nobody in the industry was able to foresee just how big of a change was coming in shooting/hunting demographics five years ago so the entire industry was caught off guard.
thanks for helping keep us all informed of where things are at!
 
Based on some discussions we've had recently today I picked up the phone and called someone I know at Vista Outdoors. One thing my career provided me was an unlimited list of contacts in the industry and once in a while I break out my black book.

We spent a little over an hour on the phone and I learned a whole, whole lot.

Some basics everyone is interested in.

As I suspected ammo sales nationwide are at record highs. Federal alone has seen a 40% increase in each of the last two years.

As I knew, when it comes to components he confirmed that yes, there's a priority list. First on that list is their own factory ammo, next comes their committed contract buyers for whom they also provide ammo. Following those are the huge vendors like Cabelas/BP, SW Midway, Brownell's and Midsouth.

The only thing that makes it to the shelves for reloading components are overruns and excess so from primers to powder to bullets reloaders are at the bottom of the pile. The one exception to that is the powders that none of their contracts or their own proprietary ammo uses but of course, those are the last to be produced.

Because of this huge increase in customer demand they have also changed how they produce. Until the last few years they'd run say 2 million rounds of a given bullet, at a given weight on a regular schedule, same with ammo that way there was a fairly constant supply of a broad range of ammo and components.

Due to demand however if they've got six million cases and one type of bullet in a given cartridge, they'll run six million of that specific combo because it's already sold no matter how much they produce. Once that run is done, they'll move to the next in that same line if they have the components, if not they'll retool and run something else until they run out of components and on and on.

Yes, there are some supply chain issues which can sometimes affect the production schedule but if they are lacking one thing they just produce something else and then will rescheduled that skipped run once the necessities are available.

Bad news. I was told not to expect any large runs of Magnum Primers to start showing up on the shelves for the next 12-18 months as they simply cannot produce them fast enough.

Good news, they are very soon going to be doubling their primer production capacity. They are however so far behind on contract orders for both loaded ammo and primers it's still likely to take at least 12 months to get caught up.

We covered me topics and some of these in a more in depth way so feel free to ask questions. If I have an answer I'll provide it.
Thank-you - much appreciated.

I keep looking for Fiocchi (Italy) and Sellier & Bellot (Czech) primers. I have had good results with both.
 
Based on some discussions we've had recently today I picked up the phone and called someone I know at Vista Outdoors. One thing my career provided me was an unlimited list of contacts in the industry and once in a while I break out my black book.

We spent a little over an hour on the phone and I learned a whole, whole lot.

Some basics everyone is interested in.

As I suspected ammo sales nationwide are at record highs. Federal alone has seen a 40% increase in each of the last two years.

As I knew, when it comes to components he confirmed that yes, there's a priority list. First on that list is their own factory ammo, next comes their committed contract buyers for whom they also provide ammo. Following those are the huge vendors like Cabelas/BP, SW Midway, Brownell's and Midsouth.

The only thing that makes it to the shelves for reloading components are overruns and excess so from primers to powder to bullets reloaders are at the bottom of the pile. The one exception to that is the powders that none of their contracts or their own proprietary ammo uses but of course, those are the last to be produced.

Because of this huge increase in customer demand they have also changed how they produce. Until the last few years they'd run say 2 million rounds of a given bullet, at a given weight on a regular schedule, same with ammo that way there was a fairly constant supply of a broad range of ammo and components.

Due to demand however if they've got six million cases and one type of bullet in a given cartridge, they'll run six million of that specific combo because it's already sold no matter how much they produce. Once that run is done, they'll move to the next in that same line if they have the components, if not they'll retool and run something else until they run out of components and on and on.

Yes, there are some supply chain issues which can sometimes affect the production schedule but if they are lacking one thing they just produce something else and then will rescheduled that skipped run once the necessities are available.

Bad news. I was told not to expect any large runs of Magnum Primers to start showing up on the shelves for the next 12-18 months as they simply cannot produce them fast enough.

Good news, they are very soon going to be doubling their primer production capacity. They are however so far behind on contract orders for both loaded ammo and primers it's still likely to take at least 12 months to get caught up.

We covered me topics and some of these in a more in depth way so feel free to ask questions. If I have an answer I'll provide it.
WildRose,

Thanks for the information. Having knowledge helps us know there is a light at the end of the tunnel. That helps us make choices to buy what we need and help our friends out with leaving some for them to buy too. I appreciate the time you spent and the report you gave.
 
Based on some discussions we've had recently today I picked up the phone and called someone I know at Vista Outdoors. One thing my career provided me was an unlimited list of contacts in the industry and once in a while I break out my black book.

We spent a little over an hour on the phone and I learned a whole, whole lot.

Some basics everyone is interested in.

As I suspected ammo sales nationwide are at record highs. Federal alone has seen a 40% increase in each of the last two years.

As I knew, when it comes to components he confirmed that yes, there's a priority list. First on that list is their own factory ammo, next comes their committed contract buyers for whom they also provide ammo. Following those are the huge vendors like Cabelas/BP, SW Midway, Brownell's and Midsouth.

The only thing that makes it to the shelves for reloading components are overruns and excess so from primers to powder to bullets reloaders are at the bottom of the pile. The one exception to that is the powders that none of their contracts or their own proprietary ammo uses but of course, those are the last to be produced.

Because of this huge increase in customer demand they have also changed how they produce. Until the last few years they'd run say 2 million rounds of a given bullet, at a given weight on a regular schedule, same with ammo that way there was a fairly constant supply of a broad range of ammo and components.

Due to demand however if they've got six million cases and one type of bullet in a given cartridge, they'll run six million of that specific combo because it's already sold no matter how much they produce. Once that run is done, they'll move to the next in that same line if they have the components, if not they'll retool and run something else until they run out of components and on and on.

Yes, there are some supply chain issues which can sometimes affect the production schedule but if they are lacking one thing they just produce something else and then will rescheduled that skipped run once the necessities are available.

Bad news. I was told not to expect any large runs of Magnum Primers to start showing up on the shelves for the next 12-18 months as they simply cannot produce them fast enough.

Good news, they are very soon going to be doubling their primer production capacity. They are however so far behind on contract orders for both loaded ammo and primers it's still likely to take at least 12 months to get caught up.

We covered me topics and some of these in a more in depth way so feel free to ask questions. If I have an answer I'll provide it.
All I can do is shake my head.
 
I blame this all on the high quality off the shelf firearms and the cool gadgets that allow us to range and shoot long distances and every time I turn around they're coming up with a new wiz bang bullet and amazing powder. What an amazing time we live in
 
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