The latest greatest Federal Cartridge

[AussieWriter]

Yeah - I dunno on reloading or if that is important to the masses. It would be a deal killer for me. Hornady set the bar on the approach of creedmorizing and releasing every possible variant of a caliber/cartridge use and see which stick. They apparently are ****ed Winchester snuck in with the 6.8W. I am guessing Federal will do this with the new "peak alloy" case and see which stick. In years past a 30 cal would have been the first choice but high BC / 7prc craze probably directed to 7mm. A couple of years ago they would probably have started with 6.5 BC

Lou

I think you may be right but the 7mm market is saturated yet the market still favors only a few cartridges, and for good reasons, with the trendoids who already know everything, exploring a few more before they falter.

The rifle is more important than the cartridge but it takes a long time to know the fact of that statement.

 

[MarkInPA]

I think one of the mindsets that you are going to be bucking is as follows. I have a 7mm Remington Magnum that sits in my gun cabinet. It's just as effective and efficient now as it was 35 years ago when I first got it. Nothing's changed. I see no reason to change to the new and improved. Doesn't matter if the new is better. I already have a tool that works.

 

[southpa]

I think one of the mindsets that you are going to be bucking is as follows. I have a 7mm Remington Magnum that sits in my gun cabinet. It's just as effective and efficient now as it was 35 years ago when I first got it. Nothing's changed. I see no reason to change to the new and improved. Doesn't matter if the new is better. I already have a tool that works.

Mark,
I too am a fan of my 7RMs. I have many and they work great. However contrary to this is the new age idea to run shorter barrels suppressed. While not having to give up the performance of neutering your 7RM to 7-08 status. If this isnt of interest to you than its not worthy of your attention. It does nothing for your interests. This is a non-point to me as well because I don't like supressors and am not a follower of super short barrels. Yet, I'm still able to acknowledge what this cartridge is proposed to do for the population of guys that it will benefit.

 

[AussieWriter]

I think one of the mindsets that you are going to be bucking is as follows. I have a 7mm Remington Magnum that sits in my gun cabinet. It's just as effective and efficient now as it was 35 years ago when I first got it. Nothing's changed. I see no reason to change to the new and improved. Doesn't matter if the new is better. I already have a tool that works.

You described a hunters attitude perfectly......"a tool that works".

There is a huge difference between a hunter and a hobbyist shooter.

 

[MarkInPA]

Mark,
I too am a fan of my 7RMs. I have many and they work great. However contrary to this is the new age idea to run shorter barrels suppressed. While not having to give up the performance of neutering your 7RM to 7-08 status. If this isnt of interest to you than its not worthy of your attention. It does nothing for your interests. This is a non-point to me as well because I don't like supressors and am not a follower of super short barrels. Yet, I'm still able to acknowledge what this cartridge is proposed to do for the population of guys that it will benefit.

I agree. It's not that I'm not open-minded and don't see the benefit.

 

[Axl]

It's not even out yet man, once its released and in circulation all the answers will be found. Until then we will continue to speculate. I see what youre saying i just dont understand why there is this area 51 idea surrounding it? Also, nobody can satisfy the market with consumables. Nothing new there.

I may be a but of an optimist but something tells me once this thing is in circulation you'll have all the answers. Of course there's nothing out or available on this it's not even out or available....

There are people that have never been successful at anything take their anger out on things that are new. They condemn what they don't know. And then when something that is new, and takes off they condemn the evil "marketing" (6.5 Creedmoor).

Federal has never been a reloading company, they have always been an ammo company.

 

[AussieWriter]

There are people that have never been successful at anything take their anger out on things that are new. They condemn what they don't know. And then when something that is new, and takes off they condemn the evil "marketing" (6.5 Creedmoor).

Federal has never been a reloading company, they have always been an ammo company.

Never been a reloading company?
Why are you ignoring the fact that they have a terrific opportunity to impress everyone by flooding the market with Federal primers when the market is severely underserviced?

The anger "you read" is directed at the ineptitude of a so called product release, where moderate to medium priced rifles are non existent, no ammunition is available, dies don't exist, reloading data doesn't exist, the powders used are not disclosed, cases are not available, and manybreviewed are diaplaying very poor acting skills attempting to emulate elation.

This should have been keep confidential until every point above is addressed and released at the same time. Kindergarten level marketing.

Insulting people because they have concerns not addressed, reflects upon you, not them. These people are all potential customers. They are not being serviced with basic information and there is no attempt to address their very reasonable concerns.

BTW, have you ever been successful at anything, because you just failed comprehension and communication?

 

[Wild Monkey]

You described a hunters attitude perfectly......"a tool that works".

There is a huge difference between a hunter and a hobbyist shooter.

What is the All-Time best Hunting Cartridge? Ask everyone and you'll get almost as many answers. Ask me? 30-06. For all the many shooters who proclaim the 30-06 is too much gun and or kicks too hard there are just as many or more that shoot 300 magnums. Does the 7-BC kick harder than the 300WM?

 

[CMP70306]

"You do know" that 2920fps is faster than 2860fps...., 20" is longer than 16"... and the case capacity of the 280 is 67 grains while the 7prc is 82.....

So it's substantialy shorter, has a substantial amount LESS powder and still outperforms the 7prc....imagine if the 280BC had a 20" barrel....with those pressure it might hit speeds the 7prc could only imagine...or wait, it already has.....

2860 is slower than 2920....
20" is longer than 16"....
280 case is 67 grains 7prc is 82 grainss...
Put down the bottle man hahah.

And how are you going to tell me what I am and am not going to hate? The 7prc is a joke IMO. It does nothing more than sell to ding dongs who argue that it does more when it doesn't. You drank the kool-aid. It's all good. You can like what you like that's not the premise here. I truly am glad your rifles are doing what you like. But just because you put lipstick on that pig doesn't mean we all think she looks pretty cuz she ain't. It DOES NOT operform what the 7bc is already putting out.

Kinda funny hearing you accuse me of drinking the kool-aid while jumping all over a cartridge that is lacking some pretty important information and has mixed reviews from the limited amount of people who have used it.

Fact is I base my cartridge choices around what can be found in Browning X-Bolts with factory ammo that is similar to my handloads as I share and load ammo for my Dad and Brother. Dad wanted a short barreled X-Bolt he could suppress in a cartridge he didn't have, options were .308, 6.8 Western and 7 PRC. Based on the options we went 7 PRC as it worked best for our requirements. For the cartridge itself it's a fast twist 7 Rem Mag without a belt, if you already have one just shoot that instead of the PRC. That's what I did with my .300 Win Mag instead of switching to the 300 PRC.

Personally I couldn't care less about the 7 BC, my bigger interest is when the case technology improves am I keeping the magnums or will the technology only be offered in the .473 bolt face and I'll be switching everything over to high pressure versions of the 6.5 Creedmoor and 30-06.

 

[southpa]

Kinda funny hearing you accuse me of drinking the kool-aid while jumping all over a cartridge that is lacking some pretty important information and has mixed reviews from the limited amount of people who have used it.

Fact is I base my cartridge choices around what can be found in Browning X-Bolts with factory ammo that is similar to my handloads as I share and load ammo for my Dad and Brother. Dad wanted a short barreled X-Bolt he could suppress in a cartridge he didn't have, options were .308, 6.8 Western and 7 PRC. Based on the options we went 7 PRC as it worked best for our requirements. For the cartridge itself it's a fast twist 7 Rem Mag without a belt, if you already have one just shoot that instead of the PRC. That's what I did with my .300 Win Mag instead of switching to the 300 PRC.

Personally I couldn't care less about the 7 BC, my bigger interest is when the case technology improves am I keeping the magnums or will the technology only be offered in the .473 bolt face and I'll be switching everything over to high pressure versions of the 6.5 Creedmoor and 30-06.

Im not jumping all over anything. It stands to not offer much to me. If you can read you'd see that haha. Stay focused here man. You're all over the board. The premise is YOU claimed the 7BC doesn't outperform the 7prc. You're wrong.

The 7bc offers nothing to me because I'm not interested in sacrificing performance for super short barrels and supressors. It does however outperform the 7prc in the short barrel for supressor use arena, while not sacrificing the performance. This is probly what it's designed for...

 

[MarkInPA]

The 7bc offers nothing to me because I'm not interested in sacrificing performance for super short barrels and supressors. It does however outperform the 7prc in the short barrel for supressor use arena, while not sacrificing the performance. This is probly what it's designed for...

I think you are spot on with this statement. This probably what it is designed for. Magnum performance in suppressed short, barreled rifles. At least that is what it seems like it is being promoted for.

 

[liber]

The 7bc offers nothing to me because I'm not interested in sacrificing performance for super short barrels and supressors. It does however outperform the 7prc in the short barrel for supressor use arena, while not sacrificing the performance. This is probly what it's designed for...

And nobody is asking you to sacrifice anything you have today. They did get you talking about it, as they did me. I'd say their launch was a success. And what Axi says will pan out if their marketing is capable of doing something at Shot Show with it. I have more faith in Hornady Marketing. Their entire Creedmoor/PRC line is a huge hit, IMO. Their cartridges have dominated the firearms industry for the past 15 years.

 

[southpa]

And nobody is asking you to sacrifice anything you have today. They did get you talking about it, as they did me. I'd say their launch was a success. And what Axi says will pan out if their marketing is capable of doing something at Shot Show with it. I have more faith in Hornady Marketing. Their entire Creedmoor/PRC line is a huge hit, IMO. Their cartridges have dominated the firearms industry for the past 15 years.

The difference is its not marketing fluff. It's actually doing it. It's marketing itself before its on the markett because it's not just another copy of something thats been around for ages (PRC).

 

[liber]

The difference is its not marketing fluff. It's actually doing it. It's marketing itself before its on the markett because it's not just another copy of something thats been around for ages (PRC).

Well, to be fair to Hornady, the PRC stems from the RCM, I think it was 300 RCM (Rugar Compact Magnum). It is my understanding that they had developed this cartridge long before 6.5 Creedmoor, but did release it shortly after the 6.5cm.

You have shown quite a bit of haste for the PRC, that's ok, it's widely used and as I said, nobody is forcing you to use it. In the end popularity seems to win, and the PRCs are more popular than most others. 7PRC is a viable cartridge today, it would be hard to deny that. 300 RCM is very similar to 300 WSM, if you see them side by side. I do believe the 300 WSM is a great short action cartridge, just that 6.5 PRC uses the more modern extended bullets with a shortened/widened case that holds more powder. Neither 300 WSM or 300 RCM have that, but are still viable hunting cartridges. I don't think they will push a 175 grain at 3000 fps, like the 7BC may be able to do.