Guess I'll weigh in. I'm liking the Tikka's these days. Great trigger, very smooth action, great barrel, reliable and very good carry characteristics for hunting. Perhaps one of the things that puts them over the top for me is the reputation they've gained, not from gun writers but from people who use them. Almost everyone claims excellent accuracy and reliability. They seem to have cracked the nut of rifle manufacturing excellence. I believe they still have a 3-shot MOA accuracy guarantee. There seems to be overwhelming Customer Satisfaction from this manufacturer and giver the fact that relatively inexpensive materials are used to build them, I think people wouldn't hesitate for a moment in bashing them if they didn't perform to their expectations.
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Well said! I don't own a Tikka but I have a SAKO M995 in .300 Win Mag. IIRC, SAKO has a 5-shot guarantee. Tikka is also gaining in after market support.
I'm a big Savage fan but love all kinds of rifle brands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Qc99SiKqoJo
(http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/team-savage-multiple-medals/)
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All,
thanks for the input. I went and shouldered a lot of rifles and the one I kept coming back to was the Remington mountain ss. I bought it and I'm pretty excited. after reading some on it...it does seem to have one down fall...due to thin barrel it heats up fast and starts losing accuracy after a 3 shot group...which since this will be a hunting rifle shouldn't be an issue unless I miss a lot haha. the one thing I noted was these bad reviews for it say that their rifle weighs just over 5 pounds but currently on Remingtons website it claims it's 6.5 pounds and under rifle "status" they will either put discontinued, current or new and this rifle is labeled new so I wonder if maybe they made a change to it some how.
After looking around online there is a video review from remington on youtube stating the remington mountain ss is new for 2012...so it does look like it was updated. Not sure what changes they made but whatever they did they upped the weight of the gun from 5.25lbs to 6.5lbs. I will report back with some range reports on it soon...I will get it in 5 days. they had it in 270win but I wanted 3006 and they were able to locate one.
thanks for the input. I went and shouldered a lot of rifles and the one I kept coming back to was the Remington mountain ss. I bought it and I'm pretty excited. after reading some on it...it does seem to have one down fall...due to thin barrel it heats up fast and starts losing accuracy after a 3 shot group...which since this will be a hunting rifle shouldn't be an issue unless I miss a lot haha. the one thing I noted was these bad reviews for it say that their rifle weighs just over 5 pounds but currently on Remingtons website it claims it's 6.5 pounds and under rifle "status" they will either put discontinued, current or new and this rifle is labeled new so I wonder if maybe they made a change to it some how.
After looking around online there is a video review from remington on youtube stating the remington mountain ss is new for 2012...so it does look like it was updated. Not sure what changes they made but whatever they did they upped the weight of the gun from 5.25lbs to 6.5lbs. I will report back with some range reports on it soon...I will get it in 5 days. they had it in 270win but I wanted 3006 and they were able to locate one.
A friend bought a 700 XCR (don't remember if XCR or XCRii) .30-06 last year and this happened after only 3-shots (not sure of the ammo but it was factory load) ...
It took Remington months to fix it and he almost missed the hunting season.
Hope this does not happen to you, esp. afield. Good luck!
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A friend bought a 700 XCR (don't remember if XCR or XCRii) .30-06 last year and this happened after only 3-shots (not sure of the ammo but it was factory load) ...
It took Remington months to fix it and he almost missed the hunting season.
Hope this does not happen to you, esp. afield. Good luck!
good to know. I hunt on my father in-laws property so if this does happen I'd just take a short trip to his house and grab another gun. I'm sure if that was happening a lot...Remington would be sorting out the problem...so either the problem is dealt with or your friend got a lemon...
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Congrats, hope you enjoy it!
A short trip to re-arm is always a plus.
Nothing against Remington but I don't think it's an isolated incident, if you do a search there's a few instances. IIRC, he was happy on the fix and the rifle because that was the last issue I've heard about it.
I no longer have the link but a guy was in some kind of shooting competition and it happened to him ... he had his TIG welded afterwards.
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Sorry my bad, it was .270 Win instead of .30-06. Here's the original thread on another forum >>> http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=554128
the 5.25 ones have a titanium action and a synthetic stock. you will love yours. I have both they are awesome. roninflag
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Glad to see that you found something that suits your fancy. Will look forward to the range report!
Amen to that!
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I'm not a "great" shooter by any means but I shoot my father in-laws Browning at .75-1 incharlieannes groups....he has been shooting his whole life and shoots .5-.75 groups with the same gun so I do have more shooter error but still pretty decent. if I get around 1moa with at least one factory load I will be very happy. anything under 1.5moa will satisfy me but I'd love to get 1moa
westcliffe01
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I recently traded my last Remington 700 off for a Savage.
I didn't buy the parts for this rifle, but it consisted of a savage 10/12 blued short action (not the 11 with the plastic magazine/bottom metal - beware of that) so listing the parts:
Action - $300 on average
Shilen 308 1:10 match stainless barrel 26" varmint $350
It had a Rifle Basix trigger ($170 - do not recommend - I swapped it for a regular accutrigger)
Stock might be from a model 12 - could have belonged to the action with a blind magazine $0
So for somewhere between $650 and $850 (depending where the stock came from) I have a rifle which is capable of shooting 1/4 MOA with my hand loaded 175 SMK's, reloaded in LC 12LR brass so close to duplicating the load our snipers use.
Then there is this one
Started out as a brand new Savage 12 LPV 243 Win in stainless with the 26" fluted varmint barrel and the laminated stock.
I got this rifle for $770. Sold the factory fluted barrel for $180 - leaving the balance at $590.
Added the Shilen 243 AI 1:8 barrel (26" varmint) $350
So this one totals up at $940
Personally. while my Savage barrels have shot decently from the factory, in most cases they are not set up for high BC bullets and the Shilen match barrels have also been superior in accuracy and reduced fouling to the point I am not going to bother with a factory barrel anymore.
I will say that since I built those 2 rifles, the lead time for barrels is now passing the 6 month mark and I don't know when it is going to improve. It is always worth while keeping an eye on Midway as well as calling Jim at NSS, since occasionally you will find a barrel in stock, out of the blue.
The huge advantage with Savage is that one can do all the barrel fitting yourself so you are not at the mercy of a gunsmith, and the barrels also ship directly from the barrel maker with every detail completed, so that there is no finger pointing regarding who is responsible for any quality issues (I have not had any). The finished cost for a barrel is also somewhere between 1/2 and 1/3 what it is for a custom barrel through a smith.
It is true that my action does not have the tactile "feel" of a Sako, but it also cost me a fraction of the price and gives up nothing in performance.
I didn't buy the parts for this rifle, but it consisted of a savage 10/12 blued short action (not the 11 with the plastic magazine/bottom metal - beware of that) so listing the parts:
Action - $300 on average
Shilen 308 1:10 match stainless barrel 26" varmint $350
It had a Rifle Basix trigger ($170 - do not recommend - I swapped it for a regular accutrigger)
Stock might be from a model 12 - could have belonged to the action with a blind magazine $0
So for somewhere between $650 and $850 (depending where the stock came from) I have a rifle which is capable of shooting 1/4 MOA with my hand loaded 175 SMK's, reloaded in LC 12LR brass so close to duplicating the load our snipers use.
Then there is this one
Started out as a brand new Savage 12 LPV 243 Win in stainless with the 26" fluted varmint barrel and the laminated stock.
I got this rifle for $770. Sold the factory fluted barrel for $180 - leaving the balance at $590.
Added the Shilen 243 AI 1:8 barrel (26" varmint) $350
So this one totals up at $940
Personally. while my Savage barrels have shot decently from the factory, in most cases they are not set up for high BC bullets and the Shilen match barrels have also been superior in accuracy and reduced fouling to the point I am not going to bother with a factory barrel anymore.
I will say that since I built those 2 rifles, the lead time for barrels is now passing the 6 month mark and I don't know when it is going to improve. It is always worth while keeping an eye on Midway as well as calling Jim at NSS, since occasionally you will find a barrel in stock, out of the blue.
The huge advantage with Savage is that one can do all the barrel fitting yourself so you are not at the mercy of a gunsmith, and the barrels also ship directly from the barrel maker with every detail completed, so that there is no finger pointing regarding who is responsible for any quality issues (I have not had any). The finished cost for a barrel is also somewhere between 1/2 and 1/3 what it is for a custom barrel through a smith.
It is true that my action does not have the tactile "feel" of a Sako, but it also cost me a fraction of the price and gives up nothing in performance.
Savage simply rocks! Best DIY rifle is the market.
I have a SAKO but have a couple of go to Savage rifles (.300 Win Mag and .270 AI).
Very nice rifles and excellent shooting!
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I've owned Remongtons for 15 years and never had any issues with any of mine. All have had factory bolts, and still have factory bolts.
I'd be willing to bet your friend got a lemon. A couple of others might have had this happen, but I have never heard of this issue. It's new to me.
Also, anything man-made has the potential to break. It's a law of human nature...Every consumer should know this. Regardless whether it took Remington a couple months to fix it, they did without any hesitation, didn't they? They didn't send it back and tell you that your friend did it from dropping it, and that they weren't liable for it. And basically that you're SOL. I've seen other companies do that, but they will remain nameless.
Another great company is S&W. Dad bought a 642 Airweight and the barrel was bent. The shop we bought it from sent it to Smith, and they fixed it free and sent it right back quickly with a nice note saying that they were sorry for any inconveniences it might have caused him, and they went ahead and did a thorough cleaning and went through the whole gun to check for any other defects, and they found the cylinder was slightly bent too, so they replaced that as well, and that it was fixed and 100% in tip-top shape. I thought that was pretty cool of them to go the extra mile. Makes me proud to be a life-lomg S&W revolver fan.
I'd be willing to bet your friend got a lemon. A couple of others might have had this happen, but I have never heard of this issue. It's new to me.
Also, anything man-made has the potential to break. It's a law of human nature...Every consumer should know this. Regardless whether it took Remington a couple months to fix it, they did without any hesitation, didn't they? They didn't send it back and tell you that your friend did it from dropping it, and that they weren't liable for it. And basically that you're SOL. I've seen other companies do that, but they will remain nameless.
Another great company is S&W. Dad bought a 642 Airweight and the barrel was bent. The shop we bought it from sent it to Smith, and they fixed it free and sent it right back quickly with a nice note saying that they were sorry for any inconveniences it might have caused him, and they went ahead and did a thorough cleaning and went through the whole gun to check for any other defects, and they found the cylinder was slightly bent too, so they replaced that as well, and that it was fixed and 100% in tip-top shape. I thought that was pretty cool of them to go the extra mile. Makes me proud to be a life-lomg S&W revolver fan.
