Sticking brass

[pdog shooter]

Timing and truing a Savage:

Savages are mass produced and designed to be put together in a production line from a bin of parts.

The bolt bolt bodies are chrome plated tubing drawn on a mandrel. The triggers, trigger hangers, and sears are forged or stamped out.

Their factory barrel, actions, and floating bolt head are the hear of their inherent accuracy.

Some of the things that are done to improve on the Savage rifles are bolt fit, alignment and timing.

The factory actions bolt race are .7015 ID and the factory bolt bodies are usually about .696 OD. Real sloppy in comparison to other manufactures.

The cocking ramps are cut with an end mill and the helical leaves something to be desired.

The main screw, compresses against the cocking piece sleave that compresses the firing pin spring. Slop and deflection in the spring adds to the friction in cocking.
Bolt lift on cocking is the major complaint about Savages. Bolt lift can be reduced by 50-60 percent by timing and truing Savage actions.

Some gunsmiths use a deprimed spent 38/357 magnum case cut to fit inside the cocking piece sleeve and insert a ball bearing in the primer pocket. The ball provides a smaller and slicker surface for the main screw to mate up against.

I drill and tap the main screw .250 X 28tpi and insert a .750 x .250 28tpi grade 8 cone point set screw. I also make a shouldered cap with a center indentation for the set screw to mate with. This does several thisngs it reduces the friction, it aligns the firing pin, and it allows for external firing pin spring tension adjustment.

The bolt handles are fit to the back of the bolt and held in place by the main screw.

Upon opening the holt handle rubs up against the ramp on the rear baffle this is where the bolt gets its primary extraction.

When bolt head lugs are turned or lapped they can move the primmary extraction out of timing. There for the bolt body must be shortened to bring the primmary extraction back.

I recomend that folks also replace their factory bolt body with a .701 PT&G bolt body that is precision ground form tool steel. this requires some turning and machining to make it fit properly.

There are several friction points between the trigger, trigger hanger, and sear that should also be deburred and polished.

The bolt lugs should be turned and lapped into 60% or better bilateral engagement.

During the same operation the bolt face should be machined.

For high presure cartridges the bolthead should have the firing pin hole centered and bushed.

I have not seen any significant difference in accuracy between barrels using the nut vs shouldered barrels. The nut just makes headspacing easy and barrels interchangeable between different actions.

There is no reason a Savage rifle can not shoot with the best and most expensive factory actions.

Nat Lambeth

Found plenty on timing

 

[pdog shooter]

Peterson brass is smaller in volume that other cases like Win. You talk about mushroomed primers. Or is it really creator. Being a problem in get the case removed from the chamber. It seem to me you are overpressure. Send us a pictures of the base with a fired primer still in the case. I didn't note anything about a heavy bolt lift.

Way past heavy bolt lift

 

[pdog shooter]

Well, the test for that is does a bullet slide into a fired case?

Yes it does
Thanks

 

[pdog shooter]

Hate to sound stupid here but somebody please tell me what IMO means
freeboard on ships is all I could come up with

 

[BigJake54]

I haven't read all replies but have you trimmed the necks? I had a similar issue with some 284 Winchester brass I necked down to 6.5. Lapua brass worked fine, but had problems with the W. I checked the neck diameter of a fired Lapua case. Long story short, the W neck's were too thick. Caused over pressure issues.

 

[fmuguira]

In My Opinion. (IMO)

 

[pdog shooter]

I haven't read all replies but have you trimmed the necks? I had a similar issue with some 284 Winchester brass I necked down to 6.5. Lapua brass worked fine, but had problems with the W. I checked the neck diameter of a fired Lapua case. Long story short, the W neck's were too thick. Caused over pressure issues.

Yes, I trimmed and checked
Kind of enjoyable on a cold winter night setting by the wood stove

 

[pdog shooter]

In My Opinion. (IMO)

Thank you
that would be something I would know if I had a cell phone and used text messages

 

[Glenn Tullius]

Reduced was 39.8 and it still sticks.
Always told them at the power plant. You didnt hire me for my admin skills

My LOAD is 38.0g for a 130g Scirroco! REDUCE! Zero issues with Hornady and Lapua brass.

 

[.30-06]

this thread is getting lost.... and If I wasn't home with covid I wouldn't be here.

I suggest loading a standard OAL and see what happens. That is the only thing that I can can come up with, I mean 4350 isn't high pressure powder......

 

[pdog shooter]

What's a "straight bullet"?

like I said in another post
never been paid for admin skills

 

[bdpayne2000]

This is your problem.

Cheers.

All of my Peterson brass has less internal volume and produces higher pressures at lower charge weights compared to most others. I always start my Peterson brass extra low and I concur with others you were likely very hot at 42 gr.

 

[pdog shooter]

this thread is getting lost.... and If I wasn't home with covid I wouldn't be here.

I suggest loading a standard OAL and see what happens. That is the only thing that I can can come up with, I mean 4350 isn't high pressure powder......

I agree, time for a break
Thanks to all

 

[Muledeerhuntingfreak]

What bullet are you using what reloading book my 6.5 calls for 41.5 Max with a 143 grain E LDX bullet Once I went over the 41.5 I ended up having issues