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I'm an unrepentant numbers nerd and love me some statistics, but agree that yes at 100 yards it's not going to cause a 1" spread like this.
I have a v3 and wish I had a lab radar for this exact reason. The POI shift makes it hard to justify using more than once in a great while when I need to chrono a new load.
It's the ES/SD on the Chronograph and target that tell the story. No If you are shooting under 500yds. Beyond that it changes. I am reading here about people shooting 1000yrs, and not paying much attention to those two Items. Another is powder and Temp Stability. I work on getting it all down to the smallest group and and lowest numbers. Some to the friends I had, would have me shot there rifles with different loads for grouping. I no great shot either, but generally could see how the rifle was doing with different loads. That was a .243 that we couldn't get under 1-1/2" groups. It was doing worst than that when we started. The forearm was pushing the barrel over a lot to one side and up pressure up too. We did change it from a 4" group. My thing is Accuracies, and velocity.
I use a magnetospeed that hangs off the barrel it,s good if you don't use the muzzle brake adaptor which is too heavy and affects the barrel harmonics but using the the lightweight strap it's pretty good,another good thing is it's easy to set up.
They work and it can change harmonic balance some. You can shoot it two ways. To see what effect it has on the harmonic. 1 with it on and 2. without it to see how the grouping is doing and if any has changed.
With most rifles it works with very little affect as long you don't use the large muzzle break adaptor, but your point is well made.
Sadly true, and I've had my share of custom guns with accuracy that could easily be surpassed by a $700 off the shelf production gun. This, however, I've come to learn, has more to do with selection of components and who does the work. You'll get better results giving crappy components to a master gunsmith/machinist than you will giving exceptional components to a fly-by-night "gunsmith" that cuts a chamber here and there on the weekends. You have to combine the 2 best options in order to get something that would upstage that Browning. And it's real tough to upstage .4"@200, but by upstage, I mean that it will put most any load, not just the "preferred" load into that kind of hole and will give same POI every time. I've had one or two factory guns that would pretty much do that, but they an anomaly, and not the norm. Accuracy isn't the only reason to have a custom rifle built, though. There's balance, weight, shootability, how the scope comes to the eye, LOP, trigger enhancements, and mainly cartridge selection just to name a few. That doesn't even consider if someone wants a dedicated target gun for any level of competition.
Well here is one for you. During World War II in the South Pacific my dad sat and watched a 50 caliber with tracers at night. He noted that the tracers would begin to move into an outward sprial and then return to center and then again go back to outward sprial and then come back to center.I think that is sound advice! but I will push back on the 100 yard grouping versus 200-300 plus yard groupings. This has been tested extensively and has not been validated. If the gun groups well at 200 or 300 yards it will group well at 100 yards. No bullets don't stabilize and shrink groups the farther they fly. Garbage in, Garbage out...
Now, if anyone, not calling you out, wants to disprove this? Please invite me to witness, Applied Ballistics will pay for you to discredit these claims. Free ammo, free trip etc... It has yet to be validated that groups group better at 200 yards plus. I learned this the hard way! Got my butt handed to me by Brian Litz. I met him at Berger one day when he was visiting.
What you guys will see with groups shrinking at distance is an issue of too much power on your optics, parallax, etc. At distance you are more focused on a finner (smaller) point of Aim, so you think your groups are shrinking, in reality you shot better. Power down your scopes or use a smaller target for your POA, like the triangle of a target, see picture below. My POA was the far orange triangle . Yes I got excited and pulled my 5th shot on my new 300 Norma barrel, yes it had zero break in done.... which goes to show is barrel break in really View attachment 356167 necessary... depends on your barrel, I haven't to do it, but that's another threadyes the POI is not my POA, if you shoot out your POA what are you aiming at?... just a friendly tip
Just my 4 cents
I agree with u and I had more.. I'm a fast shooter.. I try my reload at 100.mt and when I have a 5 shot group done in 5 maybe 8 seconds that shows me 3/4 moa or 1 moa I'm super happy.. .. point is if I take my sweet sleepy time to shot.. I get always at Lear 1/2 moa.. I guess not other statements from u was better than this one if u put garbage in.. garbage will come out!!! well said!!!I think that is sound advice! but I will push back on the 100 yard grouping versus 200-300 plus yard groupings. This has been tested extensively and has not been validated. If the gun groups well at 200 or 300 yards it will group well at 100 yards. No bullets don't stabilize and shrink groups the farther they fly. Garbage in, Garbage out...
Now, if anyone, not calling you out, wants to disprove this? Please invite me to witness, Applied Ballistics will pay for you to discredit these claims. Free ammo, free trip etc... It has yet to be validated that groups group better at 200 yards plus. I learned this the hard way! Got my butt handed to me by Brian Litz. I met him at Berger one day when he was visiting.
What you guys will see with groups shrinking at distance is an issue of too much power on your optics, parallax, etc. At distance you are more focused on a finner (smaller) point of Aim, so you think your groups are shrinking, in reality you shot better. Power down your scopes or use a smaller target for your POA, like the triangle of a target, see picture below. My POA was the far orange triangle . Yes I got excited and pulled my 5th shot on my new 300 Norma barrel, yes it had zero break in done.... which goes to show is barrel break in really View attachment 356167 necessary... depends on your barrel, I haven't to do it, but that's another thread
I realize it's only part of the setup on a load for whatever rifle. I do every step I know of to a case, before really sitting down to work up a load. That's top end brass to start with. High BC bullets. I generally use Fed 210 primers, and H4350 powder. I have others types of primer, 210 are my friend. The SD/ES only shows how you are doing out the barrel. I am not a heavy bullet user nor use Target bullets that have better BC for hunting. In my 308 N.M I use 165gr Accubond, and 200grs in my 338WG running 3300fpgs and 3230fps. respectfully. The rest of it is finding out what the rifle likes. I will put down the tube a 100 rounds before really start to fine tune the rifle. Tim will tell, on how I do with this rifle. You won't find those loading in your handbook. Generally I hold my shots to 500yds, but with the new wildcat I am hopefully moving out the 700 to 800 yards. I never tried match shooting, but I think it's great. They figure out what we need to do. The other is once I come up with a load for that rifle I generally don't change it. Take Care!
I think that is sound advice! but I will push back on the 100 yard grouping versus 200-300 plus yard groupings. This has been tested extensively and has not been validated. If the gun groups well at 200 or 300 yards it will group well at 100 yards. No bullets don't stabilize and shrink groups the farther they fly. Garbage in, Garbage out...
Now, if anyone, not calling you out, wants to disprove this? Please invite me to witness, Applied Ballistics will pay for you to discredit these claims. Free ammo, free trip etc... It has yet to be validated that groups group better at 200 yards plus. I learned this the hard way! Got my butt handed to me by Brian Litz. I met him at Berger one day when he was visiting.
What you guys will see with groups shrinking at distance is an issue of too much power on your optics, parallax, etc. At distance you are more focused on a finner (smaller) point of Aim, so you think your groups are shrinking, in reality you shot better. Power down your scopes or use a smaller target for your POA, like the triangle of a target, see picture below. My POA was the far orange triangle . Yes I got excited and pulled my 5th shot on my new 300 Norma barrel, yes it had zero break in done.... which goes to show is barrel break in really View attachment 356167 necessary... depends on your barrel, I haven't to do it, but that's another thread
