I have an 18 inch 4570 a 20 inch 308, a 19 inch 3006 and a 19 inch 338-06 as well as a 20 inch 375 Ruger stopper for guiding. I love short barrelled rifles for hunting, what I don't have though I could easily have one made, is an 18 inch 338 378 because to me the one I have in 26 inch is as short as a guy would want. To each their own and you won't know for positive untill you build and try one. Guy has to do it at least once.