SARAH PALIN - My kind of gal!

[Pdvdh]

Re: SARAH PALIN - modern day Teddy Roosevelt

phorwath, your absorbed focus on the petty controversies that the political opponents of Sarah Palin dredge up against her, while totally remaining silent on the controversies surrounding obama and company, which are several order of magnitudes greater, are obvious. You're the one focusing on style and not substance. If troopergate and a hair stylist are your biggest arrows, be sure to lick the little rubber suction cups before you shoot them. Which I give you credit, it must be tough while continually swinging that hammer and sickle of yours.

There's a lot of diversity in America. Muslim, Christian, Republican, Democratic, Independents, white, black. What's made our country the greatest one on the planet is our ability to agree to disagree and still move together as a nation. Which obviously requires compromise. We haven't taken to suicide bombings in order to force our opinions and persevere in our judgements in this country. So we can disagree and after a point, there's no sense belaboring those disagreements to death. We might just as well wait until after the election at this point.

My "big picture" take on Sarah is that she is completely lacking in experience to fill the office of the VP, let alone the Presidency. I don't consider that matter a petty, minor detail or consideration. The McCain campaign strategy took a gamble on presenting Sarah to the country, and some of their assertions and strategies to support the McCain-Palin team ring hollow. Some of the information I've provided is pertinent and fair ground to cover, in my opinion. That's the way this game gets played. Your disinterest or disregard for anything that's contrary to your hopes, desires, and agenda are what I refer to as ignoring anything, believe anything, do anything... It happens on both sides, in my experience.

Anyhow, in case you missed it or overlooked it, the biggest problem I have with Sarah is her complete lack of qualification to serve as VP. Same concern Colin Powell expressed last week. Only difference is that I knew of Sarah Palin before he did and expressed my opinion on the matter much earlier than he did.

I believe Obama's got this one in the bag, and if so, it will mean that a majority in this country disagree with you. There will be a winner and a loser. That's the way it works. There's no reason to claim I'm the outcast or you're an outcast. If we see the issues differently we'll articulate them differently. You're evidently trying to convince me or other readers that my positions are unreasonable, unintelligible, laughable, or whatever... My posts are obviously going to generate interesting reading on this pro-gun forum, since the Dems have come after our guns in the past. No surprises there. I could continue to duel it out but I've expressed my most pertinent feelings on the matter, and for the most part, so has everyone else.

 

[matador]

There comes a time to dismiss the broken record. Put it aside lest it play the same corrupt nonsense over and over. It is time to do just that with the obvious. Just wish him luck as he has the worst situation - he has to live with his wretched self. I am sure he will try some vile comeback statement, but that is the nature of the beast. As I occasionally remark to colleagues; personality disorders are incurable, you can not change them, and you can only distance yourself from their sickness.

 

[Hunter]

Re: SARAH PALIN - modern day Teddy Roosevelt

There's a lot of diversity in America. Muslim, Christian, Republican, Democratic, Independents, white, black. What's made our country the greatest one on the planet is our ability to agree to disagree and still move together as a nation. Which obviously requires compromise. We haven't taken to suicide bombings in order to force our opinions and persevere in our judgements in this country. So we can disagree and after a point, there's no sense belaboring those disagreements to death. We might just as well wait until after the election at this point.

My "big picture" take on Sarah is that she is completely lacking in experience to fill the office of the VP, let alone the Presidency. I don't consider that matter a petty, minor detail or consideration. The McCain campaign strategy took a gamble on presenting Sarah to the country, and some of their assertions and strategies to support the McCain-Palin team ring hollow. Some of the information I've provided is pertinent and fair ground to cover, in my opinion. That's the way this game gets played. Your disinterest or disregard for anything that's contrary to your hopes, desires, and agenda are what I refer to as ignoring anything, believe anything, do anything... It happens on both sides, in my experience.

Anyhow, in case you missed it or overlooked it, the biggest problem I have with Sarah is her complete lack of qualification to serve as VP. Same concern Colin Powell expressed last week. Only difference is that I knew of Sarah Palin before he did and expressed my opinion on the matter much earlier than he did.

I believe Obama's got this one in the bag, and if so, it will mean that a majority in this country disagree with you. There will be a winner and a loser. That's the way it works. There's no reason to claim I'm the outcast or you're an outcast. If we see the issues differently we'll articulate them differently. You're evidently trying to convince me or other readers that my positions are unreasonable, unintelligible, laughable, or whatever... My posts are obviously going to generate interesting reading on this pro-gun forum, since the Dems have come after our guns in the past. No surprises there. I could continue to duel it out but I've expressed my most pertinent feeling on the matter, and for the most part, so has everyone else.

Agreed, the horse is pretty well beat up. The election is getting closer though and the horse ain't dead yet.

What doesn't make sense to me in your latest post is your "big picture" assertion that Sarah isn't qualified to be even VP, yet you say nothing of Obama's lack of qualifications for the top office. That seems more than a little imbalanced.

I think the bottom line here is that we are on different ends of the political spectrum and we're both willing to accept imperfectness in our choice of candidates.

Heck, even Teddy Roosevelt wasn't perfect. He wasn't a very good shot by his own admission. He served America well and so will McCain/Palin. Obama/Biden will fundamentally undermine and change our great nation and put us in international crises within six months by their own prediction.

Certainly we can agree to disagree. I can respect your position but I will never understand it.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

phorwath,

That was the first post you have made on this subject that was civil. Thank you, I will put my sword away.

We will talk again about how great things are now that we have a new President. lol

Steve

 

[Pdvdh]

There comes a time to dismiss the broken record. Put it aside lest it play the same corrupt nonsense over and over. It is time to do just that with the obvious. Just wish him luck as he has the worst situation - he has to live with his wretched self. I am sure he will try some vile comeback statement, but that is the nature of the beast. As I occasionally remark to colleagues; personality disorders are incurable, you can not change them, and you can only distance yourself from their sickness.

Vile? Mr. matador, your post is the one that alleges I'm a wretched person. Shake your head and let some of the sap run out. Even my prior sentence is less vile than your post.

Keep your tissues handy, don't hire any more employees until after the election, hide all your guns, because it's pretty clear you'll be disappointed when the majority in the country disagrees with you on election day. Then maybe come back and post your feelings here that the majority of your fellow citizen's are wretched and see how many vile responses you receive. You're wasting you're time waiting for vile from me. I'll poke some fun here and there, but I don't think I've lowered myself to the depths you've stooped to. What's it look like from down there?

 

[slymule]

I don't know if it was in this thread or one of the other political threads where I read that Phorwath said he'll be voting for McCain. Obviously he's spent a great deal of time mocking and posting every negative thing he can dig up on Palin. Now why would somebody do that? If a guys going to vote for McCain/Palin, why not spend the energy trying to convince Democrats what a poor choice the Obama/Biden ticket would be. Instead he seems to take great joy in his opinion that it will be a landslide victory for Obama. It just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe he's a "closet Democrat" that just can't bring himself to come out of the closet and fess up. Phorwath, maybe you can explain this to me, I'd sure like to hear the reason why.

 

[Pdvdh]

I don't know if it was in this thread or one of the other political threads where I read that Phorwath said he'll be voting for McCain. Obviously he's spent a great deal of time mocking and posting every negative thing he can dig up on Palin. Now why would somebody do that? If a guys going to vote for McCain/Palin, why not spend the energy trying to convince Democrats what a poor choice the Obama/Biden ticket would be. Instead he seems to take great joy in his opinion that it will be a landslide victory for Obama. It just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe he's a "closet Democrat" that just can't bring himself to come out of the closet and fess up. Phorwath, maybe you can explain this to me, I'd sure like to hear the reason why.

I believe I did say I would vote McCain. Truth is I generally vote Republican. I would ID my self as a moderate Republican. I'm not wedded to the party though. For purposes of voter registration in Alaska, I'm registered the equivalent of independent.

I've mocked Sarah some and found it enjoyable. Otherwise I wouldn't continue posting. So has Saturday Night Live.

My only mocking of McCain would be that he took a risk and selected someone as inexperienced as Palin, evidently in order to energize and stir up the most conservative sector of the Republican Party. I don't understand that choice because even the McCain Campaign has acknowledged that they can't win this election without gaining some of the "undecided" votes. I guess that's why she was presented as "Sarah the hockey mom" - your everyday, normal mom who can relate to the average American mother and everyday Joe types of voters. Well she could get away with that at the Republican convention, but sooner or later people want to know if besides being well presented and likeable, if she's qualified to be the VP, or President of the country. There was just to much time to hide Sarah away from the press and so eventually Katie Couric had her way with Sarah and what I knew all along became obvious to many more. Sarah didn't measure up, due to a lack of exposure to national and international issues, the way most VP candidates would be expected to perform. Sarah could be smart as a whip but still unable to shine on national and international issues, simply by virtue of her inexperience. So that's what happened. Being a lifelong Alaskan, with 18 months as Governor of Alaska being the sole pertinent experience on her resume, you tell me how her mental database has been prepared to answer questions related to national and international issues? Maybe you can't understand that if you don't live in Alaska. Having lived here the past 30 years, I knew she would stumble on any subject material other than the ones the McCain campaign had prepped her for. I also have wondered how McCain expected to gain undecided voters with Sarah, who doesn't support abortion even in instances of rape or incest. How are extreme positions like that going to collect middle of the road voters. I think McCain already had secured most of the conservative Republican vote. What he needed was the undecideds, and it doesn't appear that Sarah helped him there.

I should clarify than when I characterize her as a Dodo bird in peacock plumage, I'm largely saying she's mentally handicapped due to a lack of sufficiently pertinent political experience. She may actually be pretty bright, but she didn't demonstrate that to me through Troopergate.

OK. Off-track there. Guess you already know I don't think Sarah's got any business in the office of VP or Presidency.

You asked why I wouldn't spend my time trying to convince Democrats that Obama/Biden would be a poor choice. I don't believe there's anything you or I could say to convince Democrats that Obama/Biden are a poor choice, in light of the Bush/Cheney administration. If you haven't read me state it before, Bush/Cheney are worse than anything I've seen in my life. It's not just me. Bush has achieved the lowest approval rating of any President - EVER. The best you or I might do is convince some Republicans to stick with the Party after eight years of disgraceful performance. When I say Ronald Reagan, let alone McCain doesn't stand a chance, it's because of Bush. And Bush couldn't have had his way without the support of the majority Republican Congress and Senate the first four years. I think the Dems now have majority control of the House. Not sure of the Senate. But Republican Congressman and Senators are going to pay a toll this election also because of their inability to moderate Bush/Cheney over the past 8 years. So based on those considerations, I'm not convinced Obama/Biden will be poor for the country. Hate me if you must. Republican's got out of control and as a last resort, voting them out of office is how the American voting public brings them to their senses. In fact, it's the only certain means to bring them to their senses. I'm so disgusted with Bush and the Republican representatives in Congress that I too, am ready for change. Would I prefer a moderate Republican. Yes, under more normal circumstances. After eight years of Republican Administration lies, misrepresentations, and incompetence do I dare take the risk of communicating a message that the Republicans are still performing well enough to get my vote. Honestly, that's a real conflict for me. I have flat out had enough of anything that hint's of any more Bush arrogance. That's the pathetic state of affairs the Bush legacy has handed to John McCain for this election. Because of that, I don't believe the poor guy stands a chance. And now the economy goes tits up, and peoples 401Ks are slaughtered.

Tell you what. If the Democrats don't take the White House, and gain majorities in both the Senate and the House, then they will have demonstrated total, utter incompetence, given the past 8 years of Bush/Republican embarassments, disgrace, lies, and incompetence, and given the current financial and economic crisis/disaster. Bush has handed the Democrats a tremendous advantage, and if they don't sweep all three, then I'll be convinced we're actually better off with the Republicans because the Democrats are just too plain to stupid to take advantage of the situation, and be put in charge of anything other tinker toys.

Iraq war - needless, expensive, incompetently executed, 4000+ soldiers lives lost & countless more physically handicapped for life, and Bush obtained support for the war by lying to the American public. We were lied to in order to start a war that didn't need fighting. The consequence. We're spent financially and militarily and Bin Laden is enjoying those facts. Health care. It's not working the Republican way. I'm all for trying something else. My cousin doesn't complain about Canada's Health care system. He's used it extensively the past three years and he raised his family in Canada over the past 30-35 years. He was born and raised in Michigan, so he has experience with both systems.

Could Obama do worse than Bush? Not to my mind. If Obama does just a mediocre job, it'll look fantastic compared to the Bush legacy. That's what you ought to be concerned about. Bush has loused things up so badly that it may be hard to get another Republican administration, or Republican majority Congress for a long, long time.

I'd like to be a moderate Republican, but the more I consider what Bush has done for me, the less convinced I am that I can afford it.

Not sure if I answered your question or not. slymule, ask yourself this. Why would I waste time trying to recruit votes for Obama on a pro-gun largely Republican member Forum. And why would I be a smart-*** about it if my goal in life were to gain votes for Obama. I'll admit I've toyed with some of you but I don't believe you'll find any example where I've stooped into the gutter on a personal basis with anyone. It would have been easy to do that with matador, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt -- he's from Florida and they can't punch voter cards there or fill in the round circles with pen or pencil.

I agree I said I was voting for McCain. I think I also said forum members ought to vote their convictions and beliefs. It's our only chance to impose some control over our government, so please do vote for McCain-Palin if that's your selection, and more power to you. I've tried not to re-hash too much old ground here. If you're still reading this now then you really need to load up some rounds, go shoot your rifles or go hunting, and add some non-political diversity to your lives.

 

[matador]

Vile? Mr. matador, your post is the one that alleges I'm a wretched person. Shake your head and let some of the sap run out. Even my prior sentence is less vile than your post.

Keep your tissues handy, don't hire any more employees until after the election, hide all your guns, because it's pretty clear you'll be disappointed when the majority in the country disagrees with you on election day. Then maybe come back and post your feelings here that the majority of your fellow citizen's are wretched and see how many vile responses you receive. You're wasting you're time waiting for vile from me. I'll poke some fun here and there, but I don't think I've lowered myself to the depths you've stooped to. What's it look like from down there?

Good luck.

 

[slymule]

Phorwath... well, I read it all, right after I loaded up 50 rounds of 300RUM and 35 rounds of 338Edge. Man you sure must like to type -a few short sentences would of sufficed.

Actually we're both pretty much looking at things the same way, I too am really disallusioned with the Republican party and even more so with Bush. They could of had it all but Bush didn't have the balls to try and pass anything worthwhile, he was too busy bending over and kissing Democratic butt trying to appease them. Most things we agree on, as far as what a poor job Bush and the Republican party has done, but I can't even begin to imagine what its going to be like if Obama gets in and has a majority in both houses. Life as we know it will fast go away. If I wanted to live in France, I'd up and move there. I'm so sick of the liberal agenda I could puke. Put Obama in and give them a super majority and we're just flat screwed. They'll shove every Socialist idea they can down our throats, and there won't be a thing we can do about it until the next election. I guarantee you if that happens, there will be: no more drilling, no nuclear power plants, higher prices for gas and oil, Green this and Green that, our guns will either be at risk or we'll be paying exorbitant prices for bullets, powder, primers,etc. we'll be paying higher taxes, our 401k's will be government run and taxed, we'll have a couple more LIBERAL Supreme court judges, and the list goes on....... basically we'll be much worse off than we are now. The further we've leaned towards the left, the further society has gone downhill in all regards. I just don't feel as if we can slide any further downhill without putting this country in total ruin. I was so fed up with Bush and the Republicans that I was going to vote third party this year for the first time in my life, I too figured Obama would have a LANDSLIDE victory until McCain had the good sense to bring Sarah Palin onboard. I'm convinced that womans going places. I agree, she has no international experience but neither did Reagan and look what a fine job he did. I think they're both cut from the same cloth and its because of Sarah that I've decided to give the Republicans another chance. God help us if Obammy gets elected.

 

[Hunter]

Re: SARAH PALIN - My kind of gal! Nobama-keep the change!

I thought this was right on topic...

David Letterman wrote this; it's the David we don't often see....

' As most of you know I am not a President Bush fan, nor have I ever been,
but this is not about Bush, it is about us, as Americans, and it seems to hit
the mark

'The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data
I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the
direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with
the performance of the President. In essence 2/3 of the citizenry just ain't
happy and want a change. So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started
thinking , 'What are we so unhappy about?''

A. Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 Days a
week?

B.. Is our unh appiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer
and heating in the winter?

C.. Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job?

D.. Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see
more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

E. Maybe it is the ability to drive our cars and trucks from the Pacific
Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers
as we move through each state?

F.. Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the
way that can provide temporary shelter?

G.. I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around
the world is just not good enough either.

H. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and
provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the
hospital.

I.. Perhaps you are one of the 70 p ercent of Americans who own a home.

J.. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a
group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch
equipment to extinguish the flames, thus saving you, your family, and your
belongings.

K.. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar
or prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest
will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss.

L.. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias
raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90% of teenagers own
cell phones and computers.

M.. How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy
that are the envy of everyone in the world?

Maybe that is what has 67% of you folks unhappy.

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has
ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S., yet has a great disdain for
its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the
world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have, and what we hate
about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan
to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is
this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11?
The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this
be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in
keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks? The
commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you
and me?

Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news
affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for
yourself and see all the good things and be glad? Think about it......are you
upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it
because the 'Media' told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful
behind every day. Make no mistake about it.

The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many
cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this
country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up
with either a ''general'' discharge, an 'other than honorable'' discharge or,
worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

So why then the flat-out discontentment i n the minds of 69 percent of
Americans?

Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they
specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts.
How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows
this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells,
and when criticized, try to defend their actions by 'justifying' them in one
way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O .J. Simpson
to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would
have done it this way......Insane!

Turn off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of
your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There
is exponentially more good than bad. We are among the most blessed people on
Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and
appreciati ve.' 'With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides,
flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to
another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, 'Are we sure
this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?'

David Letterman

 

[Pdvdh]

Re: SARAH PALIN - John McCain

Interesting take on it. Polls I took a peek at this morning aren't looking very good though and the clock's winding down. Even Karl Rove's (Bush's Campaign organizer/planner) poll show's it's just about out of reach.

 

[Hunter]

Re: SARAH PALIN - My kind of gal! Nobama-keep the change!

Interesting take on it. Polls I took a peek at this morning aren't looking very good though and the clock's winding down. Even Karl Rove's (Bush's Campaign organizer/planner) poll show's it's just about out of reach.

Maybe they're just polling the unhappy, ungrateful spoiled brats. They should do an exit poll from a Friends of the NRA Banquet!

 

[trebark]

Reading over this post I see that many are pleased with McCain choosing Palin as a running mate. Much of that seems to be based on our feeling that Palin will help to preserve our 2nd amendment rights.

Further, it seems that most people posting here are concerned that if Obama is elected we will essentially live in a socialist state and many of our rights, especially our 2nd amendment rights will be limited. From my experience this is the rhetoric that we hear about all democratic candidates for president. For example, Bill Clinton was a two term president and much of the same things were said about him during both of his campaigns. Yet as I recall nothing significant happened to our 2nd amendment rights. Am I mistaken?

 

[Hunter]

Reading over this post I see that many are pleased with McCain choosing Palin as a running mate. Much of that seems to be based on our feeling that Palin will help to preserve our 2nd amendment rights.

Further, it seems that most people posting here are concerned that if Obama is elected we will essentially live in a socialist state and many of our rights, especially our 2nd amendment rights will be limited. From my experience this is the rhetoric that we hear about all democratic candidates for president. For example, Bill Clinton was a two term president and much of the same things were said about him during both of his campaigns. Yet as I recall nothing significant happened to our 2nd amendment rights. Am I mistaken?

"From your experience"...did you live a different 8 Clinton years than the rest of us or was you just not paying attention? Yes, you're quite mistaken.

How close was the latest Supreme Court ruling on the 2nd Amendment? Four in support with three dissenting judges. One of the most lasting influences a president will have is that of appointing Supreme Court Justices. You may have not lost your .280 under Clinton, and maybe that would be all your concerned about, but you should pay more attention to the "change" in tides. 4-3 ruling is a bit close in my book. It could easily go the other way with Obama appointments.

Nobama, keep the change.