Reloading according to yardage

[choprzrul]

H4895 loaded hot and then set the scope to 1k yards. Start reducing powder until velocity drops put you back at bullseye at shorter distance. Not sure if Hodgdon's guidance of down to 60% of max published loads would get it slow enough to be zeroed at 100 yards or not?

That's the only conceivable way I can think of to make that scenario work…..now to figure out just the right cartridge/bullet/H4895 combo to get to 1k….

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[Mikecr]

But he says he aims straight at the bullseye every shot.......

1st let me declare that I do not endorse this method.
But I aim straight at the bullseye every time, as I'm sure you do.
It's just that the scope puts that aim on an elevation angle.

If he is zero'd (scope zero'd) at 1kyd, he can aim straight at any 1kyd bullseye.
Now if he does not mess with that zero, and reduces MV, his new zero can be any range to 1kyd.
If he knows what that new zero is, he can aim straight at his new zero bullseye.
Also, his reduced load was not stated as the same powder. It doesn't have to be.

Of course as air density conditions change, his new zeros would change.
But I suspect someone employing this method is not shooting at a level to notice.
As far as military sniping; most of it is walking shots into target and nothing impressive.
LE sniping does not have the luxury of walking in shots, but they're shooting point blank ranges.
Neither are good references for LR hunting.

 

[nksmfamjp]

Sounds like a Creedmoor to me.

Creedmoor at 3000fps!

 

[choprzrul]

Creedmoor at 3000fps!

My Creedmoor does 3402 with 85gr Hammers over W748....but I'm betting it won't be stable to 1k.....

 

[M1A1ABRAMS]

True story I once knew a guy who was out in remote Ak and tried reloading. Long before there was internet and he had no access to books. He said he just scooped the case full and tapped a bullet in. He lived .but only shoots factory now

Kind of reminds me of the old LEE reloading kits with scoops & a hammer. I have a few. You don't want to mix up your scoopers. That could also be unhealthy. lol

 

[Veteran]

1st let me declare that I do not endorse this method.
But I aim straight at the bullseye every time, as I'm sure you do.
It's just that the scope puts that aim on an elevation angle.

If he is zero'd (scope zero'd) at 1kyd, he can aim straight at any 1kyd bullseye.
Now if he does not mess with that zero, and reduces MV, his new zero can be any range to 1kyd.
If he knows what that new zero is, he can aim straight at his new zero bullseye.
Also, his reduced load was not stated as the same powder. It doesn't have to be.

Of course as air density conditions change, his new zeros would change.
But I suspect someone employing this method is not shooting at a level to notice.
As far as military sniping; most of it is walking shots into target and nothing impressive.
LE sniping does not have the luxury of walking in shots, but they're shooting point blank ranges.
Neither are good references for LR hunting.

If someone went to all the trouble to zero at 1000 then
develop different loads that could be used at 100, 200, 300, 400,500, 600,700,800,900

that would be on target each time by holding the main reticle exactly on target, I would not call them a genius....
Especially not in war, much less hunting. Only marginally mayyyyybe for benchrest.

In war, there is a saying called Kiss......keep it simple stupid.
What in hell ya gonna do w 10 different kinds of rounds in the middle of an assault? Oh hell I just shot the guber at 100 only he was out at 500..... You will be fouled up 3 ways to Sunday.

For hunting....Dang, that elk is headed over the hill at 400.
Now what color was that round???

Not to mention the ill effects on grouping accuracy of 10 different load combos where drop may work, but dispersion would sure not be your friend for sniping, hunting, nor benchrest competition.

Cant say I think this is really possible though maybe it can with super human effort be done by re zeroing experiments with each load......but it sure aint practical. Give me one load development for my rifle that groups well, and give me the holdover or hold under off ballistics and truing them.

Then I can go to war or hunting or even Benchrest.....with some logic that works fast, quick and easy. Kiss.

Tell that crazy guy, you dont want to be in his foxhole if hes watchin yore 6 with his method......just my 2 cents.

 

[choprzrul]

1st let me declare that I do not endorse this method.
But I aim straight at the bullseye every time, as I'm sure you do.
It's just that the scope puts that aim on an elevation angle.

If he is zero'd (scope zero'd) at 1kyd, he can aim straight at any 1kyd bullseye.
Now if he does not mess with that zero, and reduces MV, his new zero can be any range to 1kyd.
If he knows what that new zero is, he can aim straight at his new zero bullseye.
Also, his reduced load was not stated as the same powder. It doesn't have to be.

Of course as air density conditions change, his new zeros would change.
But I suspect someone employing this method is not shooting at a level to notice.
As far as military sniping; most of it is walking shots into target and nothing impressive.
LE sniping does not have the luxury of walking in shots, but they're shooting point blank ranges.
Neither are good references for LR hunting.

Using Hodgdon load data for a 6.5CM shooting a Hornady 135gr A-Tip using 38.0gr of H4895 (a full grain over max published load), Quickload is telling me 2888 fps. a 1000 yard zero requires 34.137 MOA of elevation according to JBM ballistics.

Using Hodgdon's guideline of safely reducing max published load (37.0gr in this case) by multiplying by 0.6 gives us 37.0 x .6 = 22.2gr. Quickload shows a muzzle velocity (using 26" barrel length and 2.800" OAL) of 1841fps. Using 1841 fps and correcting for zero distance in JBM, I find a 538 yard zero results in an elevation of 34.124 MOA....or nearly exactly the same as the 34.137 MOA to zero at 1000 yards at 2888 fps.

A muzzle velocity of 718 fps will put you nearly on the bullseye at 100 yards......but not sure what powder you would use for this???

This is all assuming you don't touch the scope after zeroing at 1k....just adjusting your load, and resultant muzzle velocity, so the bullet is centered on the bullseye at a given distance.

Methinks it would be easier to dial the scope for distance....

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[Chadp82]

He may need eye correction. With blurry vision 100 can look a lot like 1000 on the range finder.

I don't know the person but I know people that claim to be proficient out to 700-800 yds and shoot 3 at 100 every year the week before hunting season….. just don't know

 

[Mikecr]

Like I said, I don't endorse it. I think it's weird.
But I also think it is possible.

 

[akdad]

I would say the most amazing part would be to find 4895 in stock

 

[SupressYourself]

This is an interesting academic challenge: Spout some fudd-lore nonsense and then try to hypothesize how it could be possible.
It might be possible with a 1000 zero and varying loads, but so ridiculously difficult and impractical that it would put this (alleged) guy in "Rainman" territory. The simplest answer is usually correct: this guy is full of crap.

 

[SupressYourself]

You 2 say that, but why don't you think it's possible! I state this as I load a 264wm with 100 and 140gr and shoot out to 600 without adjusting scope (Leupold old school crosshair). Wind required a little adjusting, but elevation didn't. I really don't adjust optic for wind, only hold with no hold markings. Prairie dog plinking at its finest.

Are you trying to say that with either a 100gr or 140 grain bullet, you can hold right on a prairie dog anywhere from 0 to 600 yards, and get hits without doing anything to account for elevation? What's your zero? Is this prairie dog town located on the moon?

 

[nksmfamjp]

A few weeks ago, a guy approached me in the reloading aisle. Told me he has a sweet 243 load….runs 85000 psi.

i stepped away, in case he was equally explosive!!

 

[lancetkenyon]

Is he shooting with a Tracking Point system? That would do it. 100 to 1000 without adjusting scope or POA. Just hold and pull the trigger until it shoots.