Recoil

[DDB TX]

I have 2 radial brakes, a Vais on a 6.5 pound Tikka T3Lite in 300 WSM; and a Grizzly on a 45-70. The Tikka went from awful, shooting 180 grain Partitions at 3050 fps, to mild with the brake. Its interior is not just holes facing out to the sides, either, it has a complex pattern of internal holes going fore-aft as well. This really dissipates the concussion well. But the holes/ports do go all the way around, so there is the potential for kicking up dust when shooting prone.
The Grizzly does not have ports on the bottom, and so must be indexed/ timed properly with its included indexing nut; however, this design enhances the decrease in muzzle flip/rise, while minimizing dust when shooting prone. Shooting the Grizzly next to my son in law's identical but unbraked 45-70, yes it was a lot more concussive especially to bystanders, but he was done shooting his after 10 rounds or so, and i shot a box through mine and was fine, ready for more. And he goose hunts with a 10 gauge pump! We swapped for a couple of shots, and man did his kick worse! Pics of the Grizzly.

 

[Frank in the Laurels]

...simple, just take grains out until you reach a point where it's comfortable...no need to do anything else....make it like a thurty thurty..

 

[JiggyIi]

Get a Pachmeyer Decellerator pad for all of your rifles…then add a break if needed. My 505 Gibbs was 9lbs and had 180lbs/ft recoil. It had a Pachmeyer and a 1lb mercury recoil reducer…still had the most felt recoil I have ever had, even my 600 OKH double kicked less!

Cheers.

Mercury reducers are **** good! Put one in a 444 marlin, the other nasty ones have brakes

 

[Old Rooster]

...simple, just take grains out until you reach a point where it's comfortable...no need to do anything else....make it like a thurty thurty..

Tried that and at about 2600 ??fps it shot great.My 30-06 shoots above that and don't kick much.
I found a piece of rubber came out of the factory recoil pad and I was hitting the stock.Got a new Limbsaver Air Tech coming,should be here early next week.
Love your posts,don't stop.

 

[Old Rooster]

Mercury reducers are **** good! Put one in a 444 marlin, the other nasty ones have brakes

I wanted to ask about those.
Do you know how much they weigh?Who has them?
Used to shoot 444 Marlin.I should have never sold it.

 

[chav0_12]

I know I really like my Muzzle Brakes and More Beast Ti II that I have on my 28 Nosler. I've lost 40lbs this year since January and haven't noticed an increase in felt recoil due to the fact. That 28 Nosler seems to kick less and certainly jumps less than my 6.5 Creedmoor or my 243 WSSM, it is a little bit heavier than both of those rifles too, but not by a lot. I do want to give the Area 419 a look, and was thinking of adding one to my 6.5 Creedmoor but I haven't gotten around to getting it threaded or buying the brake yet.

 

[Playtimefun]

Reading a few replies I didn't notice anyone mentioning stock fit and a bit more on powders in reloading.

I have only had a couple of guns that came with brakes. Ironically a 30-378 weatherby accumark and a ruger precision 6.5 Creedmoor. Both guns I shot 1-2 times with the brake on. I sold the Ruger as it was wayyy to heavy to hunt with but I still shoot the 30-378 and I do so without e er using the brake. BUT... what I find funny with the 30-378 is that while I am shooting full house loads, it's way more of a push than a sudden crack. My 325 WSM is the same thing. It's a push versus a sudden hit. So there is something to be said about bore to cartridge ratio as well as what powder, pressure your reloading to.

Years ago I was taking a friend out on his first deer hunt. We wanted to shoot my Remington 700 in 300 WM. He fired it and was like this has no kick!!! I was like huh??? Well compared to the 280 (also a 700 he had borrowed from his uncle with reloads). So he fired the 280 and you could hear the crack to the shoot. He ejected the shell and I was amazed that the gun was still in one piece. The only way to tell where the primer and the pocket where was because the primer was silver. The load was tremendously hot.

Anyways... the fit of a stock is everything!!! It can make a gun feel like it has no recoil to it kicks like a mule. Most guys have experienced one of the worst kicking guns there is... a Savage Model 99 in 308. There's no recoil in a 308??? But somehow the muzzle jumps 12+ inches. A 300 WSM and 300 WM generate VIRTUALLY the same recoil in theory but I know from my collection of both that my Rem 700 is the gentlest, the Model 70 supergrade is the worst and the Kimber Montana is in the middle and it's all to do with stock design.

You could always do like another friend... practices with his 243 and 270 then takes 1 shot to check his 340 Wby. Practices a bit more with the 243 the 270. And every year takes his bull elk with 1 max 2 shots with his 340. For the 1-2 shots at game he says he never feels there recoil.

 

[JiggyIi]

I wanted to ask about those.
Do you know how much they weigh?Who has them?
Used to shoot 444 Marlin.I should have never sold it.

I ordered mine from Midsouth Shooters Supply 20 plus years ago, put one in an TC Encore stock years ago also for a 405 Win. I'd just do a Google search for one or Brownells . Weight was around 1 lb & diameter was the same as the hole in the Marlin.444 Marlins now are a grand or better with a JM stamp, 336's are 5-650$
I've recommended a mercury reducer to many & still will!

 

[JiggyIi]

Reading a few replies I didn't notice anyone mentioning stock fit and a bit more on powders in reloading.

I have only had a couple of guns that came with brakes. Ironically a 30-378 weatherby accumark and a ruger precision 6.5 Creedmoor. Both guns I shot 1-2 times with the brake on. I sold the Ruger as it was wayyy to heavy to hunt with but I still shoot the 30-378 and I do so without e er using the brake. BUT... what I find funny with the 30-378 is that while I am shooting full house loads, it's way more of a push than a sudden crack. My 325 WSM is the same thing. It's a push versus a sudden hit. So there is something to be said about bore to cartridge ratio as well as what powder, pressure your reloading to.

Years ago I was taking a friend out on his first deer hunt. We wanted to shoot my Remington 700 in 300 WM. He fired it and was like this has no kick!!! I was like huh??? Well compared to the 280 (also a 700 he had borrowed from his uncle with reloads). So he fired the 280 and you could hear the crack to the shoot. He ejected the shell and I was amazed that the gun was still in one piece. The only way to tell where the primer and the pocket where was because the primer was silver. The load was tremendously hot.

Anyways... the fit of a stock is everything!!! It can make a gun feel like it has no recoil to it kicks like a mule. Most guys have experienced one of the worst kicking guns there is... a Savage Model 99 in 308. There's no recoil in a 308??? But somehow the muzzle jumps 12+ inches. A 300 WSM and 300 WM generate VIRTUALLY the same recoil in theory but I know from my collection of both that my Rem 700 is the gentlest, the Model 70 supergrade is the worst and the Kimber Montana is in the middle and it's all to do with stock design.

You could always do like another friend... practices with his 243 and 270 then takes 1 shot to check his 340 Wby. Practices a bit more with the 243 the 270. And every year takes his bull elk with 1 max 2 shots with his 340. For the 1-2 shots at game he says he never feels there recoil.

Remington 760's/7600's like to give a good Kick! Lol I'm a lefty & have 13 of them. One 06' has a brake & make it a ***** cat!

 

[Old Rooster]

Thanks to all who took the time to post advice.Very helpful but I'm confident the recoil pad is the reason,yea losing 60 + pounds made it different.The 30-06 didn't kick much at all,could shoot it all day.
Have a new Limbsaver coming and just incase I also have Past recoil Plus Shield on the way..

 

[FEENIX]

...and I never said that you did.

… but I was the only one providing an unfavorable comment, and I like to quote directly so there is no confusion.

 

[Lenny Foffa]

I'm Old, with two bad shoulders, so I do not enjoy recoil. A few months ago I had new soft rubber recoil pad fitted to my 300 Weatherby Mag. It really helped. The barrel on this 300 Weatherby was Magna ported back in 1978 /1980 and has a front sight on it. So for me to have a Muzzle break fitted to this rifle, the front sight would need to be removed and about 2 inches of barrel cut off and crowned. I still trying to come to a decision on that. I also sent my Ultralight Weatherby Mark V, in 270 Win, back to Weatherby to have a Factory Muzzle Break fitted to the thin Krieger Fluted Barrel. It Really works very well and looks terrific too. So Good Recoil Pads work, and good muzzle breaks work, and both together should be a huge improvement!! Beyond those two easy fixes, an internal Recoil Reducer could be professionally installed into your stock. I would check to see if Larry Potterfield has a video explaining the process.

 

[MagnumManiac]

I wanted to ask about those.
Do you know how much they weigh?Who has them?
Used to shoot 444 Marlin.I should have never sold it.

Mine were all 1lb, including tube. Stupidly, I took it out of the 505 Gibbs butt stock and shot a 600g Woodleigh at 2500fps…I saw stars and was rocked, rifle weighed 8lbs with that removed.
This is what I fired in comparison to my 416 Rigby.

 

[Old Rooster]

That's a hoss!