QUARTER BORE SST??

[MudRunner2005]

York-1 actually designs his own reamers and builds the rifles and pistols. He then plays the the elr game very well with them.

Just sayin...

Steve

Ok... I never said he didn't know, just saying that there is a reason wildcats even exist... 1 main reason is to get the most out of the parent cartridges or certain other cases (efficiency). The 2nd main reason is because some has found a performance gap needing to be filled for a certain rifle or pistol cartridges for certain needs. The 3rd main reason, is simply because they can invent it.

None of the reasons are any more right or wrong than the others, and out of all of the ones I've designed, some have all of those traits, some have 2 of them, and others only have 1 of them.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Ok... I never said he didn't know, just saying that there is a reason wildcats even exist... 1 main reason is to get the most out of the parent cartridges or certain other cases (efficiency). The 2nd main reason is because some has found a performance gap needing to be filled for a certain rifle or pistol cartridges for certain needs. The 3rd main reason, is simply because they can invent it.

None of the reasons are any more right or wrong than the others, and out of all of the ones I've designed, some have all of those traits, some have 2 of them, and others only have 1 of them.

Any of them been chambered?

Steve

 

[yorke-1]

Actually, in the world of wildcatting and cartridge design, it's everything.

That's a matter of perspective. If you can show me a more efficient way to shoot a 300gr .338 bullet at 2900+ fps from a 20" barrel compared to using the 338/408 Improved (mine's technically a 338 Rocket chamber), I'm happy to listen. Same applies to shooting a 160gr 6.5mm at 2960fps from an 18" barrel. To be fair, the 18" 6.5 Badger barrel was just a test to see what I could accomplish. I used a rifle barrel which was shot out during initial load work and fire forming so accuracy was only around 1 MOA.

Sometimes the only goal in wildcatting and cartridge design is a certain performance level in a specific platform. I have my doubts that anyone dealing with a Lapua, RUM, CT, or any other large capacity case it truly looking for the most efficient way to burn 100+ grains of powder. That's a lot like complaining about barrel life.

How many of those 10-18" does one have to fry before a big accuracy change occurs?

The barrel I had chopped to 18" already had 450 shots through it with no concern for the health and well being of the barrel. LOL it was still under 1.5 MOA for another 100 rounds on the pistol. My 30" rifle barrel is still holding .75 MOA out to 1500 yards with 435 shots through the barrel. My barrel has only been shot with 160gr Matrix bullets and US869 though. We smoked one barrel in 200 shots playing around with some of the 120gr bullets trying to see how fast they'd go.

 

[yorke-1]

York-1 actually designs his own reamers and builds the rifles and pistols. He then plays the the elr game very well with them.

Just sayin...

Steve

Don't tell anyone, I'm trying to set myself up as a "ringer"..... LOL

Sorry guys, just ignore Steve; it's my first day. I'm really in to the Ruger Precision rifle, 6.5 Creedmoor, Vortex optics and shooting at my 24" gong of shame at 500 yards.

 

[HARPERC]

I think performance is always a factor, but the game we play dictates efficiency. A bench rest rifle that loses 0.1" accuracy for 5 shot groups could be toast depending on the level of competition. That same .30 BR running head to head with a .30-Lapua AI at an ELR match has signed on for a tough day.
Some are just quirky, I'm looking at a rimmed 6.5 for my #1, it "may" equal the Shermans, won't run with the Win Mag, or live as long a .260. Just a quirk about single shots, and rimmed cases.

 

[yorke-1]

I think performance is always a factor, but the game we play dictates efficiency. A bench rest rifle that loses 0.1" accuracy for 5 shot groups could be toast depending on the level of competition. That same .30 BR running head to head with a .30-Lapua AI at an ELR match has signed on for a tough day.
Some are just quirky, I'm looking at a rimmed 6.5 for my #1, it "may" equal the Shermans, won't run with the Win Mag, or live as long a .260. Just a quirk about single shots, and rimmed cases.

I came up with an oddball I call the 300 McFiddlesticks Flanged off of the 375 Flanged Mag specifically for single shots. Too many other dumb ideas to have the reamer made though. Maybe a 257 McFiddlesticks Flanged to use some of the heavier 257 bullets!

 

[FEENIX]

That's a matter of perspective. If you can show me a more efficient way to shoot a 300gr .338 bullet at 2900+ fps from a 20" barrel compared to using the 338/408 Improved (mine's technically a 338 Rocket chamber), I'm happy to listen. Same applies to shooting a 160gr 6.5mm at 2960fps from an 18" barrel. To be fair, the 18" 6.5 Badger barrel was just a test to see what I could accomplish. I used a rifle barrel which was shot out during initial load work and fire forming so accuracy was only around 1 MOA.

Sometimes the only goal in wildcatting and cartridge design is a certain performance level in a specific platform. I have my doubts that anyone dealing with a Lapua, RUM, CT, or any other large capacity case it truly looking for the most efficient way to burn 100+ grains of powder. That's a lot like complaining about barrel life.



The barrel I had chopped to 18" already had 450 shots through it with no concern for the health and well being of the barrel. LOL it was still under 1.5 MOA for another 100 rounds on the pistol. My 30" rifle barrel is still holding .75 MOA out to 1500 yards with 435 shots through the barrel. My barrel has only been shot with 160gr Matrix bullets and US869 though. We smoked one barrel in 200 shots playing around with some of the 120gr bullets trying to see how fast they'd go.

It looks to me Sir that you do not need any help in this department. One thing I learned early on in this forum is that there is always somebody in here that is always smarter than I am, have far more "real-world" experience" and hands on knowledge and always willing and able to help. Most of them modest and seems to appear just an average Joe until it's time to "BAM" and then peeps wake up and realizes it. As a life long learner, I learned to relax and enjoy the learning process and experience. I learned a lot since joining and most of us gravitate to those people of positive influence. Cheers!

Ed

 

[CA48]

I'm in for a 25 SST and my buddy wants to build 2. He has already ordered plenty of the 131's. He just received his 6.5 SST yesterday, I'm sure he started burning some powder today.

I finally got my PayPal fixed and ordered some of the 131's today. When they arrive I will send some your way and we can get the process started.

 

[257 Blackjack]

That's a matter of perspective. If you can show me a more efficient way to shoot a 300gr .338 bullet at 2900+ fps from a 20" barrel compared to using the 338/408 Improved (mine's technically a 338 Rocket chamber), I'm happy to listen. Same applies to shooting a 160gr 6.5mm at 2960fps from an 18" barrel. To be fair, the 18" 6.5 Badger barrel was just a test to see what I could accomplish. I used a rifle barrel which was shot out during initial load work and fire forming so accuracy was only around 1 MOA.

Sometimes the only goal in wildcatting and cartridge design is a certain performance level in a specific platform. I have my doubts that anyone dealing with a Lapua, RUM, CT, or any other large capacity case it truly looking for the most efficient way to burn 100+ grains of powder. That's a lot like complaining about barrel life.



The barrel I had chopped to 18" already had 450 shots through it with no concern for the health and well being of the barrel. LOL it was still under 1.5 MOA for another 100 rounds on the pistol. My 30" rifle barrel is still holding .75 MOA out to 1500 yards with 435 shots through the barrel. My barrel has only been shot with 160gr Matrix bullets and US869 though. We smoked one barrel in 200 shots playing around with some of the 120gr bullets trying to see how fast they'd go.

There's a decent amount of focus on getting better performance from the 338-416 type cartridges and a lot of that has to due with inefficiencies in the 408 type cases and the amount and type of powder involved. That being said, this is a small group of tinkerers while the majority of folks are concerned first about bullets and powder.

That's why Tubb is bringing out his Tubb XC (Xtra Capacity) cases soon. The ELR game will be advancing over the next few years and it will be exciting to see what comes out of it. Just like all paradigm shifts there will be the hangers-on tied to the components on hand and there will be guys who create a better mousetrap, although at a lot of invested time, revisions, headache, and $$$ expense.

 

[257 Blackjack]

I'm in for a 25 SST and my buddy wants to build 2. He has already ordered plenty of the 131's. He just received his 6.5 SST yesterday, I'm sure he started burning some powder today.

I finally got my PayPal fixed and ordered some of the 131's today. When they arrive I will send some your way and we can get the process started.

Thanks for the orders!

We will begin shipping next week and can't wait to get these 25 SST's going. It's sure going to be a do-all type of cartridge.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Any of them been chambered?

Steve

Steve, you don't have to be a dick. Just because something hasn't been chambered and you haven't seen any of them, doesn't mean the designs doesn't hold relevance. Short of someone fronting the money, I don't have any to get it done. And I can't just make the cash appear out of thin air. It's not a matter of lack of confidence, it's a lack of monetary means that's stopping me. Which I have stated many times. Don't like that answer? Well... Tough ****, it is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Steve, you don't have to be a dick. Just because something hasn't been chambered and you haven't seen any of them, doesn't mean the designs doesn't hold relevance. Short of someone fronting the money, I don't have any to get it done. And I can't just make the cash appear out of thin air. It's not a matter of lack of confidence, it's a lack of monetary means that's stopping me. Which I have stated many times. Don't like that answer? Well... Tough ****, it is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't.

Some on this forum actually do this stuff and some have read a lot about it in the basement.

Steve

 

[FEENIX]

Steve, you don't have to be a dick. Just because something hasn't been chambered and you haven't seen any of them, doesn't mean the designs doesn't hold relevance. Short of someone fronting the money, I don't have any to get it done. And I can't just make the cash appear out of thin air. It's not a matter of lack of confidence, it's a lack of monetary means that's stopping me. Which I have stated many times. Don't like that answer? Well... Tough ****, it is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't.

Steve don't need any help but it seems that you're the one being the total dick here. He posted #28 FYSA and asked you a simple question in #29 and you got bent out of hell. A simple modest and civil response would have been suffice.

Rich, sorry your post got tainted unnecessarily. Cheers!

Now, let's move on forward and respect the OP.

Ed

 

[MudRunner2005]

Some on this forum actually do this stuff and some have read a lot about it in the basement.

Steve

Keep believing what you want to. I don't give 2 ***** either way.