Comanche41
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I am currently running a >$5K optic on a rifle that cost me around $300. That is not to bad-mouth the rifle as it will stack 5 in the same hole at 100 yds.
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You have a great point..but how many times does a person want to move and re-zero one
Scope? Necessity dictates a number of lesser scopes for convenience and time and economics. Great glass only needs to be on a great gun....and I don't mean most expensive gun ..I mean the one you trust the most and go to for just about everything !
Great glass can make a lot of guns great. Bad glass can make the most amazing rifle into a piece of garbage.
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Arken is great for the $$$. I have 4 of them on my "medium" cost builds. But when push comes to shove, and I head out into the woods, I reach for one of my rifles with an NX8 nightforce optic. As someone else said, once you get behind great glass it is hard to use anything else. Don't get me wrong, I like Arken scopes, but they just can't compare to a Nightforce, Swarovski, Zeiss, etc.
pavementends
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I do not agree that our government buys the very best. They often buy the most expensive when not accepting the lowest bid. If it were not politically incorrect I would like to see scopes advertised as Marine proof. That should be a tougher test than any drop test.
comfisherman
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Came of age in the internet age, pre vortex and the vortex model.
Have bought 2x scopes because the internet said they were good....
One went back for warranty replacement 3x before any meaningful use the other gave me such fits we figured out to how to pull it apart, packed it full of tannerite and shot it with one of my first ultra mags.
Learned a few lessons, group source info can be heavily influenced by group ideals, and never buy scopes from a company who's warranty is known above all other perfect metrics.....
Have bought 2x scopes because the internet said they were good....
One went back for warranty replacement 3x before any meaningful use the other gave me such fits we figured out to how to pull it apart, packed it full of tannerite and shot it with one of my first ultra mags.
Learned a few lessons, group source info can be heavily influenced by group ideals, and never buy scopes from a company who's warranty is known above all other perfect metrics.....
waveslayer
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Nice collection, still if you lap rings, buy better rings! Top of the line rings do not need to be lapped! If they are not concentric, then you have bigger problems like a bent rail, or not concentric tapped rifle.
Just so new shooters don't take this to heart....whatever glass you put on a rifle has no bearing on the guns performance...it changes nothing on the mechanics of the gun and nothing on the physics of the cartridge....it only affects the abilities of the shooter . Understandably...we all want to have the CLEAREST site picture possible...but the gun either shoots...or it doesn't!
You were 15 seconds before my edit
You don't understand stacking of tolerances. And you must not have read my comment. Your rings can be perfect but if they aren't lined up perfectly with each other, because of other machining tolerances in the gun or mount, they still need to be lapped. Believe me, I use top of the line rings. It could even be cerakote being a couple thousandths thicker or thinner at one are on the rail, you wouldn't know until you lap. Just enough to matte the surfaces to check is usually all I do but sometimes that's how you find the bigger issue.
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Clem Bronkoski
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I'd be willing to bet the rifle is a Savage?!?
Indeed! I learned this lesson the hard way. Low light evening hunt and I could see the buck of a lifetime through my binos. Threw up my rifle and could not see the deer no matter how hard I tried. Switched back to binos, there he was, this went on until darkness took over and I walked out. The deer was a great 10 pointer with a huge body, who was in no hurry to move on. Next weekend I had the same optics as my binos. You can't shoot what you can't see. I still can remember that incident.
The problem is we as consumers don't have a good metric to judge how long any scope will last, there's no way to know. The solution is to throw the most money you can afford and hope for the best. I had a cheap scope for almost 30 years that worked fine, until the reticle finally fell off on a hunt costing me a filled tag. I certainly got my moneys worth out of that scope but if I had been on a guided hunt I would have been out those 30 years worth of savings I could have spent upgrading to the most expensive scope on the market today.
I can never judge anyone for not affording the best, but hunting scopes land squarely in the "buy once cry once" category.
I can never judge anyone for not affording the best, but hunting scopes land squarely in the "buy once cry once" category.
dfanonymous
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Pssh. I don't reckon anything is marine proof.
In like 2012 I found myself in Afghanistan again. The PX truck came by so we could restock on dip and cigarettes.Their convoy rolled in at night and just so happened to be a quiet week.
Most of that convoy crew slept in or on their trucks but as usual we took some IDF, nothing serious, but we moved to go intercept the mortar team and feed the ground more blood.
These idiots left their rifles on the bipods all around the truck, and when the IDF came, they scrambled in a hurry to move their vehicles so we could get our trucks out the ECP to go do our thing. One of these Marines left their rifle under the truck and it got backed over it with an armored duece 1/2. I've never seen a m4 barrel bend like that.
It's why we can't have nice things.
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