Ok I am not a big fan of the 6.5 Creedmore

[Lee Goodwin]

Comparing the 6.5CR to the 6.?Carcano ... look at pics side by side...long and heavy for caliber bullets, long throat. Maybe tune up the old $150 ww2 rifle with some modern bullets...keep the pressure down...

6.5CR
Shoulder diameter .4620 in (11.73 mm)
Base diameter .4703 in (11.95 mm)
Rim diameter .4730 in (12.01 mm)
Rim thickness .054 in (1.4 mm)
Case length 1.920 in (48.8 mm)


6.? Carcano
Shoulder diameter 10.85 mm (0.427 in)
Base diameter 11.42 mm (0.450 in)
Rim diameter 11.42 mm (0.450 in)
Case length 52.50 mm (2.067 in)

https://www.norma-ammunition.com/us/Ammunition-Academy/Reloading-Data/65-Carcano/

 

[cjl2010]

They'll never appeal to our younger generation. Their unlike any other generation. Lazy and inconsiderate, as a whole.

Those are learned traits.

 

[therifleman556]

Where do I throw my dead horse???

Has it been properly beaten?

No, only five pages on it, we at lest got to git 20 out of it.

Well holy hell! We sure blew that outta the water!

 

[Canhunter35]

I can't wait until people read this thread a decade from now...wonder what they'll think

 

[Creedmoor shooter]

I can't wait until people read this thread a decade from now...wonder what they'll think

Probably the same as we do now when we look back at people saying the creed would never make it.

 

[Canhunter35]

Probably the same as we do now when we look back at people saying the creed would never make it.

Lol exactly!

 

[VLD Pilot]

Those are learned traits.

I'm sure they are. Most behavior is learned. Still doesn't make it right.

 

[Lee Goodwin]

Comparing the 6.5CR to the 6.?Carcano ... look at pics side by side...long and heavy for caliber bullets, long throat. Maybe tune up the old $150 ww2 rifle with some modern bullets...keep the pressure down...

6.5CR
Shoulder diameter .4620 in (11.73 mm)
Base diameter .4703 in (11.95 mm)
Rim diameter .4730 in (12.01 mm)
Rim thickness .054 in (1.4 mm)
Case length 1.920 in (48.8 mm)


6.? Carcano
Shoulder diameter 10.85 mm (0.427 in)
Base diameter 11.42 mm (0.450 in)
Rim diameter 11.42 mm (0.450 in)
Case length 52.50 mm (2.067 in)

https://www.norma-ammunition.com/us/Ammunition-Academy/Reloading-Data/65-Carcano/

 

[DJ Fergus]

I just cannot get excited as some people seem to be about the 6.5 creedmore. I have never been a real fan of the 243 either. I am speaking specifically about using these calibers at 4-500 plus yards. I think a heavier bullet and a bigger diameter is in order for long range shots on elk, moose, bear especially. Whitetail deer ok I guess but the wound channel may not be effective on marginal hit. Just my two cents. How do you other long range hunters feel about this?

I have mixed feelings about the 6.5 cm. Saying that, I have owned 5 of them. I send a 147 eld at about 2940fps. The only way that can safely done is with a 26" or greater barrel & reloader 26 or possibly done with other powders with a really long barrel. I feel that the capability of an ethical kill in white tail it's limited to around 600 yards with my setup(147@2940fps). I would not consider it for something the size of an elk unless it was my only option and it would need to be closer than 400yds. All that being said, it's easy to load for. Would be a great round for a beginner to learn how to reload with. Fun to shoot and fun for kids to shoot long range. The 147 eld shoots great in my rifle, but it doesn't cheat when wind like a 180 eld at even slower velocities in my 7mm RM and I don't know of a 6.5 bullet made that would at creedmoor velocity. Creedmoor has it's attributes but it's not a 300 win mag, 7mm rem mag.

 

[FEENIX]

Probably the same as we do now when we look back at people saying the creed would never make it.

... and it would be the same group of people because they have not overcome their hatred.

 

[therifleman556]

I don't have a dog in this fight, guys. I just found this and thought it was funny as hell.

 

[coop2564]

I have mixed feelings about the 6.5 cm. Saying that, I have owned 5 of them. I send a 147 eld at about 2940fps. The only way that can safely done is with a 26" or greater barrel & reloader 26 or possibly done with other powders with a really long barrel. I feel that the capability of an ethical kill in white tail it's limited to around 600 yards with my setup(147@2940fps). I would not consider it for something the size of an elk unless it was my only option and it would need to be closer than 400yds. All that being said, it's easy to load for. Would be a great round for a beginner to learn how to reload with. Fun to shoot and fun for kids to shoot long range. The 147 eld shoots great in my rifle, but it doesn't cheat when wind like a 180 eld at even slower velocities in my 7mm RM and I don't know of a 6.5 bullet made that would at creedmoor velocity. Creedmoor has it's attributes but it's not a 300 win mag, 7mm rem mag.

So your saying you don't think a 270w is capable elk gun to say 500yds?
The 6.5CM is near same ballistics of the 270w, slightly better actually with the better bullets.

 

[VLD Pilot]

So your saying you don't think a 270w is capable elk gun to say 500yds?
The 6.5CM is near same ballistics of the 270w, slightly better actually with the better bullets.

Everybody's ethics are different when it comes to which range they feel there comfortable with killing deer/elk size game. Those are his opinions not facts. Many have killed elk a .260 at beyond 600 yards very effectively. Moving a 180 ELD at 3000 fps is very doable as well in a 7 mag. It may be what some feel better for elk but again that's simply an opinion by someone that doesn't feel they are capable of getting it done with a smaller cartridge. Confidence comes from experience and numbers of animals taken. No two people's are the same. The 6.5 and 270 are fine choices for elk. History has this as a fact. That's not an opinion.

 

[DJ Fergus]

For my personal preferences I have more appropriate options in that situation. In the previous post I am speaking based off of my self imposed limitations. Im not going to tell anyone what to do, to many situational variables & they have their own idea of what their limitations are.I have had 4 270s, two short mag & two standard. My 147 grain & 2950 will ballisticly out perform a 270 130 or 150 in most cases. This is why I sold my 270wsm. If a fellow can twist a Berger 170 enough in a 270, it's a different ball game. If all I had to hunt elk with was a 6.5 creedmoor, I would be trying to find my limitations and it's terminal limitations on elk within a distances of around 400 yards & closer before taking pokes at much farther distances. I am not a master a judging the wind, so in my case I have to remind myself that a shot through the shoulder is possible. That is where my particular 6.5 would need to be evaluated terminal wise. I shot a medium to small doe through the shoulder @ 465 yards back last November. The bullet mushroomed perfect. Bullet stopped just under the hide on the off side shoulder. I was pretty happy with those results. So I now have to ask myself if that was an elk instead of a small white tail. Would I have been just as pleased? It's anybody's guess, but I really think the would have been more chance for unwanted results. But, to answer your question, yes I prefer my 6.5 147 setup over my old 270 130 or 150gr set up. That being said, I am biased towards 7mm but even being biased towards it I will honestly say that the terminal performance of a 30 cal when compared apples to apples out performs the 7mm. I want a cartridge that allows the largest margin of error that I can comfortably shoot with in reason if I intended to kill elk with it. There's probably not one cartridge that is perfect for everyone.