Ohio Train Wreck

[birddog 68]

The chemist I've been listening to said the phosgene will disappear but the dioxins will not. The dioxins are what I am concerned about since they will remain in the soil for longer than I will probably be alive.
We are trying to learn more about this since we usually have a garden and nobody seems to know about eating deer that have been eating things growing in the soil.
Lots of questions and I'm sorry but I don't trust the government telling me everything is fine.

 

[MtPockets]

The chemist I've been listening to said the phosgene will disappear but the dioxins will not. The dioxins are what I am concerned about since they will remain in the soil for longer than I will probably be alive.
We are trying to learn more about this since we usually have a garden and nobody seems to know about eating deer that have been eating things growing in the soil.
Lots of questions and I'm sorry but I don't trust the government telling me everything is fine.

Unfortunately, truth seems hard to come by.

 

[Ol' Red]

The chemist I've been listening to said the phosgene will disappear but the dioxins will not. The dioxins are what I am concerned about since they will remain in the soil for longer than I will probably be alive.
We are trying to learn more about this since we usually have a garden and nobody seems to know about eating deer that have been eating things growing in the soil.
Lots of questions and I'm sorry but I don't trust the government telling me everything is fine.

The government said the fallout from the "Manhattan Project" was safe.

 

[Weaver93]

The chemist I've been listening to said the phosgene will disappear but the dioxins will not. The dioxins are what I am concerned about since they will remain in the soil for longer than I will probably be alive.
We are trying to learn more about this since we usually have a garden and nobody seems to know about eating deer that have been eating things growing in the soil.
Lots of questions and I'm sorry but I don't trust the government telling me everything is fine.

He is correct. Phosgene will dissipate quickly, but for the people that were exposed to it long enough to cause damage will have a hard time recovering.

 

[birddog 68]

He is correct. Phosgene will dissipate quickly, but for the people that were exposed to it long enough to cause damage will have a hard time recovering.

There's been a large number of local residents visiting the emergency room for throat and chest problems along with headache and rashes. Hopefully these are short term issues without knowing how long they were exposed to the phosgene.

 

[comfisherman]

The government said the fallout from the "Manhattan Project" was safe.

Probably safer than it would have been to invade the mainland of Japan... honestly we just didn't know.

When I first graduated we met with a local health physicist who was early 80s. He had credentials that would have taken 25 years of college to duplicate, this would have been about 10 years ago. He had such credentials in radiation related institutions because his time in those fields pre dated all our current regulatory and licensing bodies. Folks still alive essentially pre date knowledge we completely take for granted today. In that regard I cut that generation a lot of slack.

What I don't understand is how this was able to spiral so badly. There is graft and corruption in every industry and that can explain some of it but only to a point. Still blows my mind at the glacial response and the absolute lack of any regulatory accountability.

Pump your bilge with a little diesel it and and the next day coast guard and epa would crawl so far up your keister you'd not need endoscopy for years... this happens and weeks go by and cricketts....

 

[3chester]

Probably safer than it would have been to invade the mainland of Japan... honestly we just didn't know.

When I first graduated we met with a local health physicist who was early 80s. He had credentials that would have taken 25 years of college to duplicate, this would have been about 10 years ago. He had such credentials in radiation related institutions because his time in those fields pre dated all our current regulatory and licensing bodies. Folks still alive essentially pre date knowledge we completely take for granted today. In that regard I cut that generation a lot of slack.

What I don't understand is how this was able to spiral so badly. There is graft and corruption in every industry and that can explain some of it but only to a point. Still blows my mind at the glacial response and the absolute lack of any regulatory accountability.

Pump your bilge with a little diesel it and and the next day coast guard and epa would crawl so far up your keister you'd not need endoscopy for years... this happens and weeks go by and cricketts....

They did let that 11,000,000 million gallons of crude oil spill, up there in AK, back in 1989, when they piloted the Valdez aground. They tried to burn that oil off, tried to sink it, not really handled too well. So every state has a bad one, just gotta try to fix it now.

 

[comfisherman]

Yeah we do. But they payed billions and billions in clean-up. Granted they drug heals in payout. And nobody from the .gov wandered around whistling until a previous president showed up. Going forward the pipeline pays mega mega bucks to pay for standby and local training of lots of folks.

Maybe ExxonMobil should have donated more to mayor's and failed presidential candidates.

 

[3chester]

Yep, politics has a lot to do with who gets helpD . 2007 and Ol GW was in the WH, when MN had a 500ft span of I- 35W bridge hit the Mississippi mud. Forty year old bridge collapsed, lost 13 souls and 140 injured. GW said, whatever it takes and $240 million, 24/7/365 work day nite, with 500 guys and only about 13months later, road and bridge were open for traffic. They can fix the Ohio RR wreck zone if they want to, and help that town's people recover some of the life they've lost.

 

[Ol' Red]

Yep, politics has a lot to do with who gets helpD . 2007 and Ol GW was in the WH, when MN had a 500ft span of I- 35W bridge hit the Mississippi mud. Forty year old bridge collapsed, lost 13 souls and 140 injured. GW said, whatever it takes and $240 million, 24/7/365 work day nite, with 500 guys and only about 13months later, road and bridge were open for traffic. They can fix the Ohio RR wreck zone if they want to, and help that town's people recover some of the life they've lost.

And after that it's time to fix the railroad systems. Politics should not play a major role in our daily safety. This is where both parties need to grow up and do what's best for it's people. Not what gets them campaign donations.

 

[birddog 68]

Hello everyone, not sure if you have heard that JB has decided to visit East Palestine Ohio. Yes it's been about a year.
Ohio EPA says everything is good with very low levels of chemicals in the soil and streams. Interestingly enough a independent company did testing and they said that the levels of three chemicals are extremely high and advised that it is dangerous for humans to come in contact with them.
We live somewhat close to the site and haven't drank city water since the derailment. We make a weekly trip to a spring about 7 miles north of here and fill jugs.
I'm sure JB is going to get a warm welcome here.

 

[MtPockets]

Hello everyone, not sure if you have heard that JB has decided to visit East Palestine Ohio. Yes it's been about a year.
Ohio EPA says everything is good with very low levels of chemicals in the soil and streams. Interestingly enough a private company did testing and they said that the levels of three chemicals are extremely high and advised that it is dangerous for humans to come in contact with them.
We live somewhat close to the site and haven't drank city water since the derailment. We make a weekly trip to a spring about 7 miles north of here and fill jugs.
I'm sure JB is going to get a warm welcome here.

It's an election year and he apparently feels that it's going help him get reelected.

I think it's about like rubbing salt in the wound.

Kind of a DB move, if you ask me.
Don't do a thing to help when it was just getting started, but a year later come back to the area and ask for votes?

I hope he doesnt even get one single vote in Ohio.

He sure doesnt deserve their support.

 

[birddog 68]

It's an election year and he apparently feels that it's going help him get reelected.

I think it's about like rubbing salt in the wound.

Kind of a DB move, if you ask me.
Don't do a thing to help when it was just getting started, but a year later come back to the area and ask for votes?

I hope he doesnt even get one single vote in Ohio.

He sure doesnt deserve their support.

What I would love to see is him stopping by someone's home and getting a nice big glass of water from the spigot and drinking it!
This is a fairly red area of Ohio and Pennsylvania and I don't think he has helped himself with the (non) response from a year ago.

 

[lyle2231]

Man I feel for those people, what bothers me is that video of the train 45 minutes before the derailment, I haven't seen it, I wonder if the person tried to call 911, the railroad, or someone to get that train stopped. I also heard of one person coming forward and said they saw it go by with sparks flying also. I would hate to think that I could have called someone and prevented the whole catastrophe and didn't…..

I had thought with the additional drag of the rail car going bad the engine would change pitch and the engineer would think to check? Just saying....