Not equipment related methods to improve groups
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Dfanonymous "There are more important things to consider for field conditions in making a sub moa SINGLE shot, first round impact. Magnification does not help you with this. You only need to see the target. You shouldn't be looking at a specific part of the target be it living or not anyways"
I can't agree with you shouldn't be looking at a specific part of an animal. You just shoot & hope it hit's a vital spot? You must track wounded animals alot or miss. Your heart beat affects the shot whether you see it or not. Maybe try closing your eyes before you shoot.
I can't agree with you shouldn't be looking at a specific part of an animal. You just shoot & hope it hit's a vital spot? You must track wounded animals alot or miss. Your heart beat affects the shot whether you see it or not. Maybe try closing your eyes before you shoot.
Lenny Foffa
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I need to shoot between two and three groups of three, before I settle and shoot very small groups. I try to control my breathing and be sure my trigger finger will pull slowly straight back, not on an angle steering the gun. When I shoot for groups,off a rest , my face barely touches the stock, and recoil pad is not touching my shoulder. Of course all that goes out the window when your hunting, BUT, it's great to know your carefully made handloads and your rifle are perfectly tuned. Somebody one wrote "The best teacher is a case of shells " Shoot often!!!
After you get past supporting your rifle, past harmonics, past breathing, and past shooting between heart beats, nothing is more important to me than trigger pull. I have helped several shooters simply by critiquing their trigger pull.
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You can disagree, that's fine and we can debate, but don't get sassy with me you child.
No I aim where I need to, generally on a hold for wind with spin dialed. The reticle is where it needs to be. I am however, NOT looking for the moisture on a deers nose or the pimples some hajis kids face. To redefine, the target being clear does not mean that it looks like a spec at distance. It just means that it you should be able to see it completely, but it shouldn't take up the entire scope. This is common practice in the military. How else would you be able to make a lead on a moving target?
The problem with shaking in the scope is that people tend to over compensate for it. Chase it. You don't when you aren't looking for it. It's easier to relax. If it's causing you to flat out miss then you have other things going on, bad support, to much stock pressure, to much muscling the gun, high blood pressure, high caffeine intake, etc. usually the common issue in the healthy is pressure. what artery do you think is close enough to your cheek that's transferring the pulse to the rifle? Hint: it's not your heart. Don't push it in so hard.
When there too much air in the lungs the heartbeat will bounce off the lungs, so you have to break at the bottom of the cycle.
Breathing control and firing on the respiratory pause IS away to control heart beat, so is chilling out and relaxing. You will miss more from mirage then you will from a heart beat if all this is in check.
if you are going for 1000y bench, then sure, I don't care what those dudes do, I don't get spotting shots in anything I do. For field use, there's more negatives with maxing out magnification then just letting it have some level of proportionality.
[QUOTE="flylo, post: 1778630, member: 75385] Maybe try closing your eyes before you shoot.[/QUOTE]
This (or at least blinding them through the scope) is actually something that I do with students to make sure their NPA is correct and they execute the shot process properly. Do it and dry fire till they are still on target after follow through, then load a round in the chamber. If you can get on target and execute the shot "blind" then you are probably doing things right. You can even execute the shot blind, and after the trigger is tripped, regain your vision and watch your own impacts.
This (or at least blinding them through the scope) is actually something that I do with students to make sure their NPA is correct and they execute the shot process properly. Do it and dry fire till they are still on target after follow through, then load a round in the chamber. If you can get on target and execute the shot "blind" then you are probably doing things right. You can even execute the shot blind, and after the trigger is tripped, regain your vision and watch your own impacts.
I am curious if you practice on moving targets as to the target means of operation. What setup and what ranges are possible?
This (or at least blinding them through the scope) is actually something that I do with students to make sure their NPA is correct and they execute the shot process properly. Do it and dry fire till they are still on target after follow through, then load a round in the chamber. If you can get on target and execute the shot "blind" then you are probably doing things right. You can even execute the shot blind, and after the trigger is tripped, regain your vision and watch your own impacts.[/QUOTE]
I use that when practicing dryfiring pistols with a snap cap & restrike capabilities when it's too cold to go outside & shoot rifles. I also close my sys, bring the pistol up & see if the sites are aligned, works well.
Drink two ——-—s get a dip of snuff Bluetooth the ear protection to Hootie and the blow fish and that will quiet your soul or is that just me
I have my on range by the way process not recommended for public ranges or completion
I have my on range by the way process not recommended for public ranges or completion
Just speaking from a schoolhouse perspective, we shoot movers to 800 (day) / 600 (night) on an E-type silhouette target cut down to 12" wide. Target means of operation is a fella walking the pits holding up the target on a tall 2"x2" stick.
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Thanks! I see that could work well. I usually shoot alone but I need to visit a range with a mover.
Kyle Backenstoes
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Breathing, body alignment to the rifle, consistent bipod pressure, shoulder pressure, hand placement, trigger press all should be as close to the same as possible
+1 to most all of the above. Let me add...shooting either bench rest, or prone with bipod, get the rifle unto the the exact "point of aim" (POA) with your body not influencing, or really even touching it much. Then curl your body around the rifle rather than having to make adjustments to the point of aim with your body. If you are muscling your rifle onto the target from an imperfect and "casual" POA, your groups will be larger than they need to be. Also, even with my 6 ounce triggers, I make a conscious effort to place my trigger hand on the stock forward enough that I am squeezing the trigger from exactly a 90 degree position, rather than having my trigger finger pulling the trigger even at only a slightly shallower angle. That can cause small but noticeable "side pull" (horizontal stringing) down range. If you are having trouble pulling the trigger without resorting to putting your trigger hand "behind" the trigger for a "stronger" pull position, than your trigger is far too heavy, and needs some serious work or replacement with a better trigger. You can practice both disciplines at home too. Good luck.
