New Bullet Concept… CRAZY?

[lancetkenyon]

The Hornaday ELD-VT are heavy in the rear. They require more twist than similar weight V-max. Maybe that's all due to the longer length. Maybe in part due to the weight distribution.

So are the Terminal Ascent that everyone is raving about. And the old Winchester Failsafes.

 

[CRP003]

So basically the price of a Hammer

Let's be nice. But you sir earned a smiling endorsed emoji

 

[MT-JONAS]

So are the Terminal Ascent that everyone is raving about. And the old Winchester Failsafes.

I believe the lead in the Terminal Ascent is in the front.

 

[Calvin45]

I believe the lead in the Terminal Ascent is in the front.

Yes. Like the trophy bonded bear claw and trophy bonded tip before it.

 

[akmtnhnt]

For a while now I've been wondering if it would be possible to create a copper bullet with the back of the shank drilled out and a tungsten insert installed up to the typical after-impact/expansion length.

Weights
•Tungsten weighs 0.697 lbs per cubic inch
•Copper weighs 0.314 pounds per cubic inch
•Lead weighs 0.41 pounds per cubic inch

Tungsten is more than 2x the weight of copper.

Copper melts at approximately 2000 degrees and tungsten at approximately 6200 degrees.
The tungsten could be heated to the appropriate temperature needed to melt securely into the copper and lock the 2 together.

It would remove the need for overly long projectiles needed for weight in lead free options.

Is this idea crazy?

You don't want a solid piece of tungsten that would form from melting it. That would be a penetrator and have very poor to no expansion.
Also Tungsten has the highest melting point of any metal. Doing it that way would be extremely cost prohibitive.

But luckily tungsten bullets already exist, you can buy them now, and they work really great. Better than copper monos, IMO, and to anyone that prefers a EDLX to a TTSX from a terminal standpoint. And they don't cost any more than a high end lead or copper bullet.

DRT Ammo – Dynamic Research Technologies

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[bfarms]

They would pencil through the animal if built with a tungsten core. AP rounds are built with a tungsten core of I'm not mistaken.

 

[Rosebud]

Increase weight in a non-lead projectile without requiring faster twist rifling. And the added length of all copper infringing on either mag length or too far into the case resulting in powder reduction.

Like others said, you are creating a armour piercing bullet. The next knock on the door you hear is the Feds coming for a chat.

 

[AussieWriter]

What killed the Barnes was getting 20 bullets in the box in lieu of the usual 50.

I used them a lot and they were very accurate. Being a bit shorter, they didn't encroach on powder space in cases like the 7mm Remington Magnum.

 

[AussieWriter]

If I remember right, accuracy was horrible is why they scrapped them?

Absolutely not true.

 

[Greatgrandad]

For a while now I've been wondering if it would be possible to create a copper bullet with the back of the shank drilled out and a tungsten insert installed up to the typical after-impact/expansion length.

Weights
•Tungsten weighs 0.697 lbs per cubic inch
•Copper weighs 0.314 pounds per cubic inch
•Lead weighs 0.41 pounds per cubic inch

Tungsten is more than 2x the weight of copper.

Copper melts at approximately 2000 degrees and tungsten at approximately 6200 degrees.
The tungsten could be heated to the appropriate temperature needed to melt securely into the copper and lock the 2 together.

It would remove the need for overly long projectiles needed for weight in lead free options.

Is this idea crazy?

As stated by others, that was the Barnes MRX.

As a decades long bullet swager, I've swaged powder Tungsten in the bottom of the jacket with a lead core over the top and used complete powder T cores. They do make for shorter and heavier bullets that are useable in slower twist rates, but T isn't as cheap as lead. To me, the benefits were not worth the costs other than the uniqueness and experimental.

 

[AussieWriter]

As stated by others, that was the Barnes MRX.

As a decades long bullet swager, I've swaged powder Tungsten in the bottom of the jacket with a lead core over the top and used complete powder T cores. They do make for shorter and heavier bullets that are useable in slower twist rates, but T isn't as cheap as lead. To me, the benefits were not worth the costs other than the uniqueness and experimental.

Which is why a box contained 20 and not the usual 50. The market considered them an excessive cost.