Never use a SAFETY

[HARPERC]

That has to be right up there with the stupid way the OP handles his firearm! The inventor of the trigger himself said that it's defective and needed to be replaced and you come up with that comment---Another YIKES for you!!!

We're no longer talking about one or two that "got through". There's been a bunch of threads dealing with Remington triggers, and I've no desire to repeat those.

The original post had to do with using safeties or not. "Screw" the fact that there are almost 8 million rifles affected? This was Remington's news, not some competitor, or dissatisfied customer.

To not soberly look at, and resolve the issues in our own safes is arrogant and irresponsible. People around each of us are watching us for cues as to the correct way to store firearms, the proper way to maintain them, how to handle them, the way we respond to new information about them.

I don't care if you're Delta Force, somebody is watching, someone will mimic, and that someone will not have the training, experience, and understanding that you do. While you may never personally have a negligent event, perhaps you'll be on the receiving end because of someone imitating you, who only got part of the message.

 

[J E Custom]

On Bolt actions or hammer equipped.

But really, I work as a gun room manager/salesman for one of the big box stores. I can't believe how many "seasoned" gun men pass me back a rifle COCKED!

I NEVER use a safety while hunting. I'll carry a live round in the chamber but close the bolt after pulling the trigger. Then if a shooting opportunity arrives I'll open and close the bolt to cock it just before aiming.

If I hear something in the bush around me I'll carry it with the bolt up.

All the meat or trophy's in the world aren't worthy of me or my hunting partner relying on my memory to have the safety on, or did I bump it off.

I know it clicks when I move the bolt action, and maybe when in a jump and shoot situation (like lots of tracks around) I might carry it in both hands with the safety on. But never, never slung over my back relying on a safety and my memory. (I'm over 65 )

What also amazes me is how MANY rifleman don't even know that their bolt action can latch un-cocked. GRR

Agree or dis-agree?

WOW !!!!

Well I think you got everyone to thinking about safe gun handling. Surely you are jerking our chain.

There are many safety rules that can keep you out of trouble. carrying a rifle with a round in the chamber is not one of them and is just asking for trouble. There is no game animal in the world worth an accidental discharge even if it is pointed in a safe direction it will still ruin your day.

We should not trust anything or anyone with our life, so with that in mind, An empty gun is a safe gun as long as it is not pointed at anyone or anything.

I would have to disagree with your procedure on safety.

J E CUSTOM

 

[WildRose]

Thanks 7Mag, as I really appreciate your follow-up post. As you stated, I also am most worried about people that barely know how to load and unload their rifle and they are out there. I was out at a range on assignment one day helping people sight their guns in for deer season. One guy had a Remington semi, as I recall it, and one of the other guys helping him get it tuned told me the owner flat out asked him how to unload it without shooting all the rounds so he didn't waste a lot of ammo---yikes!!!

That's pretty bad since all of the Remington center fire semi autos have a detachable mag! gun)

 

[Topgun 30-06]

That's pretty bad since all of the Remington center fire semi autos have a detachable mag! gun)

Yep! I had a guy that same weekend that came out with his shotgun and a big ziplock bag of every kind of slug you could imagine in both 2 3/4" and 3" lengths. I told him he needed to have a few of each brand to see what patterned best, but he wouldn't listen and proceeded to take up a bench for a 1/2 hour or more and shot every one of them, barely getting any on the 12"x12" targets we were providing for free. I imagine his shoulder was black and blue shooting as many rounds as he did. I told him to go out and buy several different boxes of ammo and to come back so I could help him sight it in properly, but he never returned that day or the following weekend. Another guy recently on another website commented when we were talking about under MOA accuracy with our rifles that all he does is go out the week before deer season opens and freehands several shots at 100 yards at a pie plate to make sure his rifle "was on" because that was good enough and saved ammo costs, LOL!

 

[7magcreedmoor]

Well you see Topgun, it goes like this: there are quarter minute guns, tenth mil guns, half minute guns, fifth mil guns, three-quarter minute guns, minute guns, half mil guns, 2 minute guns, 3 minute guns, 1mil guns, the average AK47, and then.......


Minute of Pie Plate guns!

And I forgot minute of milk-jug guns in there somewhere....

 

[Topgun 30-06]

Well you see Topgun, it goes like this: there are quarter minute guns, tenth mil guns, half minute guns, fifth mil guns, three-quarter minute guns, minute guns, half mil guns, 2 minute guns, 3 minute guns, 1mil guns, the average AK47, and then.......


Minute of Pie Plate guns!

And I forgot minute of milk-jug guns in there somewhere....

Good one and certainly the truth!

 

[hunterbob]

Topgun 3006 ,,, Thats funny , and I knew a guy who claimed he was a hunter... He shot at a 55 gallon drum with his 30 30 lever action and if he hit the drum at 50 yds , it was zeroed in ,,,, lol

 

[Cuz]

Years ago I had a friend shoot his transmission with a rem700 when he was unloading it. It discharged when he took the safety off. The older 700 safeties would not allow you to open the bolt with the safety on. He should have unloaded it before he got in the truck, but regardless the rifle fired when he took it off safety. The trigger was extremely dirty and I feel that was what caused it. Over the years I have decided that I will not rely on a safety. If I am sitting calling coyotes I may have a round chambered and on safe if my rifle is up on sticks, basically ready to shoot. Deer stand, truck, walking I will not have a round chambered until I am ready to shoot. Only with my o/u shotgun will I actually hunt on safe. Not saying thats how everyone should do it, just how I do. When I was younger I spent 6-7 years guiding deer, elk, bear ,lion fron texas to oregon. Learned an awful lot about safety along the way and all guns are safe until you get a loose screw behind the buttstock. There are those that learn from other peoples mistakes and then there are other people.

 

[Deleted member 48126]

That has to be right up there with the stupid way the OP handles his firearm! The inventor of the trigger himself said that it's defective and needed to be replaced and you come up with that comment---Another YIKES for you!!!

No it's not stupid. Watch remington under fire. You'll be upset too. Replace the trigger, follow the recall. If you dont then thats stupid. Remington acknowledged the issue. It doesn't need to be futher scrutinized by the news. I'll stand by what I said.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

No it's not stupid. Watch remington under fire. You'll be upset too. Replace the trigger, follow the recall. If you dont then thats stupid. Remington acknowledged the issue. It doesn't need to be futher scrutinized by the news. I'll stand by what I said.

You need to read a little closer and comprehend what I was referring to. My comment you quoted was actually saying that the way the OP described how he carries his rifle with a cartridge in the chamber with it not cocked and the bolt down is dangerous. The other part of my comment was in reference to those not thinking that there is any problem with the Walker triggers in the Remingtons. I'm a staunch advocate of immediately replacing the Walker triggers with an aftermarket trigger and not even messing with Remington because they want to put the X Mark Pro in them and that IS presently under a big recall for misfire problems it's causing. Remington is not actually making a recall of the Walker triggers, but instead will be requiring those who want theirs replaced to join the class action lawsuit settlement to have the newer X Mark Pro put in. That is their way to get out of this debacle by not making a recall that would notify the general public who has one that the triggers need replacing. IMHO it's just more baloney and a way for them to save millions of dollars while saying they have taken care of the situation if anyone else has a misfire and hasn't replaced the trigger.

 

[hunterbob]

Top gun3006 ,
I understood what you wrote..... yawn'

 

[Deleted member 48126]

You need to read a little closer and comprehend what I was referring to. My comment you quoted was actually saying that the way the OP described how he carries his rifle with a cartridge in the chamber with it not cocked and the bolt down is dangerous. The other part of my comment was in reference to those not thinking that there is any problem with the Walker triggers in the Remingtons. I'm a staunch advocate of immediately replacing the Walker triggers with an aftermarket trigger and not even messing with Remington because they want to put the X Mark Pro in them and that IS presently under a big recall for misfire problems it's causing. Remington is not actually making a recall of the Walker triggers, but instead will be requiring those who want theirs replaced to join the class action lawsuit settlement to have the newer X Mark Pro put in. That is their way to get out of this debacle by not making a recall that would notify the general public who has one that the triggers need replacing. IMHO it's just more baloney and a way for them to save millions of dollars while saying they have taken care of the situation if anyone else has a misfire and hasn't replaced the trigger.

Top gun, its not what you said. Its how you said it. Replace the trigger...yes I don't agree with the way the OP carries his weapon.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

Top gun, its not what you said. Its how you said it. Replace the trigger...yes I don't agree with the way the OP carries his weapon.

So what, pray tell, and where did I say something that you didn't/don't like?

 

[Deleted member 48126]

That has to be right up there with the stupid way the OP handles his firearm! The inventor of the trigger himself said that it's defective and needed to be replaced and you come up with that comment---Another YIKES for you!!!

You were referring to my comment as stupid. Yes, screw the news. They misinterpret and slant everything. Remington triggers don't work, got that as well. Also, I never once called anyone of your comments stupid and in fact if you answered my post with your second post instead of your first I would have taken you seriously and someone who has an intelligent, well constructed argument. But yet you come up with that first post--- thats a YIKES for you!!!! I'm not arguing anymore. To the OP listen to everyone's advice don't carry it like you've mentioned.