OK lets make the same arguements for FL sizing.
NS only is nothing more than a shortcut in reloading and feel good compensation for failure to measure and properly set up your dies. Certainly not needed or the best, but feels good.
NS only works maybe, (never been or will be proven in a factory chamber and barrel to be better than proper FL die) until the 3rd of 4th reload and then you have to FL size the case with a body die and neck die.
Cold hard reality, the brass keeps expanding so nothing uniform here, big misconceptiong if you believe that. So in stark reality different dimensions each time for NS brass and not uniform as stated.
Once again the feel good mode.
Guess what aslo, using a body die and NS die equals FL sizing!
If a body die is OK to use the 4th time firing, why isn't it OK to use after the first? Someone explain that.
Failure to check each and every NS only loaded round thru the action can and has resulted in a failure to chamber or hard chambering at the wrong time.
Why risk a hunt because of failure to chamber or hard chamber?
OK so you check them ahead of time and some are hard to chamber, what do you do? Take a rubber mallet with you or take them apart and size and then reload them. That certainly sounds like a way to approach a lifetime hunt.
Does anyone really think that a case that is expanding in body and shoulder length each time to the point of difficulty to load is the same and uniform? Totally defies logic and common sense to even think it does.
NS only advocates, Do you segregate your cases by 1, 2, or 3 firings and keep them separate? Otherwise they are all over the map in actual dimensions and nothing uniform and just feel good again. That is undisputable.
FYI a JLC converted die is not a simple NS bump die as stated. IT is a FL size die with neck bushings that is matched to your chamber. Go read the redding literature about the body die, it FL sizes the body and bumps the shoulder.
Now we all agree that a properly adjusted and fitted die is the way to go.
You can use a one piece FL die or a NS and body bump die that is fitted IF you just want to do two steps. Either way it is FL sizing.
As for BR standards not being applicable, not exactly. Certainly not the tight standards of BR, but uniform accurate loads are the key and only one way to do that and that is by controlling all aspects of the sizing even in a factory chamber. Otherwise do what you want and go for it.
Why wouldn't anyone on THIS site in actuality not go the JLC custom honed FL size die for any gun IF they truly believe that it is a must to have uniform fireformed brass for even a factory chamber.
It only costs $26 for the body die and $80 for the conversion for a total less than $110 to have rounds that are really fitted to the chamber and 100% reliable which NS only will never be.
Anyway, that is my opinion having done both ways in both factory and BR rifles and been bit and seen too many people bit with the NS only route.
BH
NS only is nothing more than a shortcut in reloading and feel good compensation for failure to measure and properly set up your dies. Certainly not needed or the best, but feels good.
NS only works maybe, (never been or will be proven in a factory chamber and barrel to be better than proper FL die) until the 3rd of 4th reload and then you have to FL size the case with a body die and neck die.
Cold hard reality, the brass keeps expanding so nothing uniform here, big misconceptiong if you believe that. So in stark reality different dimensions each time for NS brass and not uniform as stated.
Once again the feel good mode.
Guess what aslo, using a body die and NS die equals FL sizing!
If a body die is OK to use the 4th time firing, why isn't it OK to use after the first? Someone explain that.
Failure to check each and every NS only loaded round thru the action can and has resulted in a failure to chamber or hard chambering at the wrong time.
Why risk a hunt because of failure to chamber or hard chamber?
OK so you check them ahead of time and some are hard to chamber, what do you do? Take a rubber mallet with you or take them apart and size and then reload them. That certainly sounds like a way to approach a lifetime hunt.
Does anyone really think that a case that is expanding in body and shoulder length each time to the point of difficulty to load is the same and uniform? Totally defies logic and common sense to even think it does.
NS only advocates, Do you segregate your cases by 1, 2, or 3 firings and keep them separate? Otherwise they are all over the map in actual dimensions and nothing uniform and just feel good again. That is undisputable.
FYI a JLC converted die is not a simple NS bump die as stated. IT is a FL size die with neck bushings that is matched to your chamber. Go read the redding literature about the body die, it FL sizes the body and bumps the shoulder.
Now we all agree that a properly adjusted and fitted die is the way to go.
You can use a one piece FL die or a NS and body bump die that is fitted IF you just want to do two steps. Either way it is FL sizing.
As for BR standards not being applicable, not exactly. Certainly not the tight standards of BR, but uniform accurate loads are the key and only one way to do that and that is by controlling all aspects of the sizing even in a factory chamber. Otherwise do what you want and go for it.
Why wouldn't anyone on THIS site in actuality not go the JLC custom honed FL size die for any gun IF they truly believe that it is a must to have uniform fireformed brass for even a factory chamber.
It only costs $26 for the body die and $80 for the conversion for a total less than $110 to have rounds that are really fitted to the chamber and 100% reliable which NS only will never be.
Anyway, that is my opinion having done both ways in both factory and BR rifles and been bit and seen too many people bit with the NS only route.
BH
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