Mike Matteson
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I never seen that where a groups gets better at longer ranges. If they are at 1/4" @ 100yds for each 100yds additional it increase in size. Or it's magic.
Necessary precision to kill something
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plenty es is big play parallax big play and shooter error. Why many serious shooters shoot 600+ in there load work
Shoot a gun that shoots extremely well with a true es 40-50 and shoot it at 1000 itll fall apart
Shoot a gun that shoots extremely well with a true es 40-50 and shoot it at 1000 itll fall apart
Hand Skills
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Nice to have you back, Alex.
There are a few of us here who pay close attention to what you are layin' down.
LRNut
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Well, I am impressed, and tip my hat to you.
If only low es/sd guaranteed small groups.
Es sd doesn't off a chronograph. It does on paper.
There is only 2 uses for 3 shot groups the first is for compairing your rifle to the other guy in these forums or for identifying a poor load. We shoot 20 shots for record in a match so if a person has a rifle that will do 1/2 min for 20 shots he has a dandy and I haven't seen very many that will do that but when you have one it makes the match more fun. If it shoots a minute for 20 shots that is still pretty good and all you need because the wind is the true test at 600 or more yards and it will mess with you way more than the difference between a 1/2 min gun or a min probably 20 times more. people think that because the F class guys shoot little bitty groups at long range that has something to do with shooting in field conditions while hunting. F class is benchrest on your belly it has nothing to do with shooting in field conditions. read the US army definition of marksmanship and it will speak of getting proficient shooting the rifle in different positions supported and nonsupported, has nothing to do with putting your rifle on a joystick support in the front and a sandbag in the back as in Fclass. The Fclass shooters are I'm sure very good and competent reloaders and I;m sure very, very good wind readers but may or may not be able to shoot in positions. So I don't think the emphasis should be on trying to get itty bitty little 3 shot groups off sandbags at 100 yds instead shooters would be way better off shooting 1 min 10 shot groups in field positions a lot and if at all possible at the yardage you will be hunting.
That's some might fine shootin'. Curious (since it's your thread): What's your ethical limit with that same setup?
Huntnful
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It puts 10 shots into a .7 at 100 yards pretty regularly and with good ES. So technically the rifle is good for a long ways. Other than that it depends on conditions. I'd shoot at an elk at 1200 under calm conditions though.
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I agree, 1 shot groups is where it's at.
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I just prepare so I have a good rest if I'm going to take a long shot on an animal. It has not at all been my experience that practicing with a rest is useless. With a little forethought most of my hunting shots have been off a backpack with some kind of rear support. If we are talking longer range, unsupported shooting at game is something very few people should be doing. Heck there are already all the other variables like wind etc discussed on this thread.
That's the other element that goes hand-in-glove with a long hunting shot: Necessary Confidence.
Don't lose it.
There is one condition where this can happen if the stability ( SG ) of the bullet is in the marginal stable category it will gain stability as range increases.
Alex Wheeler
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My intention is not to impress you, just to say that this is not a good comparison. We dont shoot aggs with hunting rifles and all those shots are not necessary. They bring in too much noise. If the rifle is a quality one, and you can tune, and shoot, then you will know its accuracy potential with very few rounds. You just dont have to fire 30 rounds to know how a load performs. I argued this with the Hornady pod cast too.
