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If you have a rifle built by H&H, it is considered to be bespoke. You specify all aspects of the rifle, many typically, physically measured for fitment. The rifle is built to order, typically taking as long as 2 years or more to complete. This is quite typical with the London- Best rifles and shotguns. I would consider them to be custom under these circumstances.
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It would be hard to argue that those rifles aren't the perfect example of a custom rifle. I'd be surprised if one could purchase any of their parts to build with, and even if you did, the sum of parts wouldn't be worth a fraction of the complete build when finished by them. There is so much value in having the entire project completed by and signed off by some of the best custom smiths on the planet.
Usually "bespoke", though current iterations may have some off-the-shelf offerings, though I would prefer Purdey, Boss, or Woodward, as far as London Makers.
100%. It's the person with the $$ who gets to determine if it is "custom" or not; the seller is just trying to upsale the gun.
Ok, so, not looking to sell, just wondering if I were to sell, what wording you might like to see? I took a Rem 700 5r 300 WM, paid about 1100$ (i think gen 1, bought it in 2011, or 12). I took the action/barrel off of the original stock, can't remember what it was, and i put it in an AI AX chassis system, that I paid 1500$ for (actually had it done for me, where I bought the AX chassis). This one.. https://www.brownells.com/rifle-par...n-mag-stage-2-ax-stock-chassis-prod75318.aspx Also added a timney 2stage drop in trigger. Anyway, it is a modified rifle for sure. And it shoots better too, maybe I shoot better with it, because I am more stable in the prone position, either way, it works for me.
Good points! I like them. Maybe use the word customized. But, I just posted a question asking how I would describe my Rem 700 with an AI chassis.. and your way is the best. Thanks..
I think that this only becomes an issue when someone is trying to sell their collection of parts as a "custom rifle". It is rampant. If I was a person trying to sell a true custom rifle for the premium price that it deserved, I would be disgusted by the way that the water is so often muddied by the people I described in my original post. I don't pretend to have the answer, but my definition is developing as we talk through this thread. Like I said before, I have rifles where I have replaced everything but the action. I almost always custom orders my barrels, I've bought one off the shelf in the last decade. And it was actually delivered yesterday. But anyone can get those barrels with 10 minutes of your time and a few hundred $$. There is nothing custom about slapping together a bunch of mass produced parts, imo.
My point isn't to argue that calling it custom makes it shoot better, just that this is a semantics discussion that doesn't change anything other than what someone calls a rifle. It doesn't change the underlying rifle. People are getting wrapped around the axle over words that don't really impact anything.
