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MT Elk Regulations Should Change!

Yes it is money. Have a conversation with me on how money and the quest for a trophy has messed up hunting in Wi where I live.
You should be careful what you wish for a lot of the things you said if they were to be implemented in your state I'm sure you would not like the residual effect.
The main problem being that there are a lot more people with lots more money and power than the average guy and they don't care how it affects you when they spend it.
 
a trophy has messed up hunting in Wi where I live.
There is no quest for trophy, so to speak.
I know for a fact it can be managed both ways but for the health of the Elk and deer herds you can't have the 2-3 years olds doing just about all the breeding.only way for that to not happen is quit killing the younger bucks.
I am 100% against all this auctioning off these tags also to the highest bidder in my opinion its turned the table into a big money game.
 
Some of you guys want to make me out as this Montana resident villain, ive hunted plenty of outa state and if the states decide I as a NR need to give up some opportunity so residents don't loose more of theirs and for the better of the herds then so be it. Residents pay year around into the state with taxs in some way or the other its theres to manage how they see fit for there resident population not for the other 49 states like it or not.
If you want the same slice of the pie move to another state Hell plenty are here.
 
If I choose to go to somebody else's house do I play by there rules or mine?
Its there house there rules no different than going out of state hunting like it or not or stay home.
 
The money issue is what you are fighting your F+G wouldn't give up all that money.
Also I have utilized public land in many states (10 plus states) and never have I seen a sign that said that said Residents have priority usage I have never read it in any game regulations and I definitely have never seen anywhere that says the animals that abide in the public land are set aside for priority rights by the residents of the state they abide in!
You talk as if these animals are yours.
The animals in MT are managed for the residents of the state of MT. So yes, they are the people of MT's animals. That is the law and purpose of the state game dept
 
The animals in MT are managed for the residents of the state of MT. So yes, they are the people of MT's animals. That is the law and purpose of the state game dept
Interesting take. While choosing which state you live in gives you obligation to pay all the appropriate taxes and dictates what state laws are enacted by voters it does not mean that they are managed simply for you as a resident of Montana. You can lose your rights last time I checked. Also if that statement held true then they wouldn't sale NR tags.

That is for moose, sheep and goat.
Not deer and elk.
This is not true as well. NR are only allowed up to 10% of the permits/quota. Page 14 and 16 of the deer/elk/ antelope regulations state as such.
 
As a NR who frequents MT, my only real disagreement w/Troutslayer2 is the requirement that all NR's use a guide. I think you'd see a signifiant reduction in your own access. I guess the only way to really know would be to speak w/some WY residents who hunt the wilderness areas and see if the guide requirement for NR's has reduced the NR competition for them.
 
@Troutslayer2 I'm with you on this. I will say though that the NR will never be on board with anything that limits their opportunities. BUT! We owe nothing to the NR, so that doesn't really matter if they are or not.

A couple of things:
1. We need to stop allowing the hunting media/gear/influencer's to suck every last drop of money or attention to be given. GoHunt, Randy Newburg, Hushin, Ryan Lampers, Born and Raised, etc. need to be done away with. They have led to everyone and their mom feeling like they need to film themselves in the woods. Be warned, if I see anyone carrying camera equipment in the woods, you will be introduced to a 200 gr Accubond. JK…..maybe…
Enough with the "hunting summits" and "online courses" and subscriptions. All about money money money, and it's a shame that the outdoorsman falls for it.

2. The NR hunter of today is not the same as the NR hunter 20 years ago.
Last season: I read a post from a guy asking for month to month rental options in Missoula because he drew a NR combo and was moving his family to MT and putting his little kids in school for the months of august-December so that he could scout, archery hunt, rifle hunt, and muzzle loader hunt.
This season: at the shooting range in July I ran into two guys with campers and trailers filled to the brim, out of state plates, sighting in rifles. They said they were "moving" up here for a few months until tags were filled. They were starting to scout in August and were going to archery and rifle hunt. They were in their early 30's with no wife and kids and said "we only work enough to be able to pay for our hunting trips".

3. When talking about limiting NR opportunities in MT there should be zero discussion or consideration, from a management standpoint, about the small businesses in rural MT. We don't manage wildlife for small businesses. Aside from that, unless you own a small business in rural MT, it's only your assumption that they depend upon the NR hunter for survival.
Also the idea that MT NEEDS the funds from nonresident tag sales is simply not true. It is true that there has historically been a great deal of money generated from NR tags, but to then say that it is a perpetual need is only trying to justify the liberal opportunities given in MT.

4. I know several people who have uprooted their lives and moved to MT strictly to be a resident hunter. There should be an 18 month waiting period.

5. FWP is not as transparent about things as some may think. They are bureaucrats just like every other government agency, and are overly concerned with easy $ in my opinion.

6. Sorry if I tick anyone off, not my intentions, but it's tough to sit back and watch the decline of my own backyard. Something has got to give, and I'm sorry to say it will start with NR opportunities just like many other Western states have already started to do.

Interesting take. While choosing which state you live in gives you obligation to pay all the appropriate taxes and dictates what state laws are enacted by voters it does not mean that they are managed simply for you as a resident of Montana. You can lose your rights last time I checked. Also if that statement held true then they wouldn't sale NR tags
It's not my "take", it's actually how it is. Wildlife in a state is owned by the residents of that state and held in trust by the state. Sorry, just the way it is.
 
Interesting take. While choosing which state you live in gives you obligation to pay all the appropriate taxes and dictates what state laws are enacted by voters it does not mean that they are managed simply for you as a resident of Montana. You can lose your rights last time I checked. Also if that statement held true then they wouldn't sale NR tags.


This is not true as well. NR are only allowed up to 10% of the permits/quota. Page 14 and 16 of the deer/elk/ antelope regulations state as such.
You are wrong that is for special permits.
The cap is set at 18,500 NR license and general tags. Over the counter Deer B and Cow elk are first come first serve untl quota is meet.
I guess I should have said Special permits are 10% for NR.
 
Montana owns Montana game, look it up there is court cases that have decided that. Our politicians and state employees our suppose to do what MONTANA RESIDENTS want not what people from the other 49 want.
Once again should I show up at your house and tell you I dont like your rules you need to change them for ME!
 
I've never went to N.M, Wyoming, Nevada or Colorado and felt I was owed anything.
Its nothing more than a privilege to hunt out of state.
The only difference i see with Montana as owing me anything is as a tax paying, voting resident is do the right thing as far as the residents decide.
 
I completely agree with you that is a privilege. I also view it that way in my state where NR can come buy any tag over the counter and cheaper for deer,elk, bear, cougar, and small game than a Montana elk license. I was also interested in both responses so I called mfwp to ask about the quota. I was told a total of 17000 elk or elk/deer combo and an additional 6500 deer tags to nonresidents is the cap. No more than 10% though would be allowed. So if that threshold isn't met with the amount of residents that buy license then NR still are not allowed more then 10% of what the totals are. She also told me that she wasn't sure that Montana residents own the game animals, but that they all say that so I would definitely like to hear what court cases they were so I could read them?
 
Google it im sure you can find it.
Theres an easy answer though, all lower 48 manage there game herds theres only 1 difference i know of and thats Fed controlled refuges like the CMR here cant shoot a MD doe which I would like to be state wide or P.D.
Oh I forgot about tribal land.
Don't tell me some want the federal gov to get involved.
 
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