for the most part yes, however, I think there are some scopes out there that have .05MRAD clicks which would be a finer adjustment than 1/4MOA clicks. They are fairly rare though and I think mostly used for benchrest comp. I'm guessing the majority of benchrest folks have moved to 1/8th MOA click scopes though which is even finer and I think a little more common these days. I dont benchrest much so I'm no expert in this area though.
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MRAD vs MOA. Which one?
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Nightforce with 1/8MOA clicks https://www.nightforceoptics.com/riflescopes/benchrest/precision-benchrest-12-42x56
Triji with .05 Mil clicks. https://www.opticsplanet.com/v/3000017-trijicon-tenmile-5-50x56mm-extreme.html
Looks like sightron and March still make several models with .05 mil/click adjustment. Most are super high power though. 5-40X or 5-50X.
BTW - March is the nicest piece of glass I own. Schott glass is the cat's meow. March glass is the tiger's roar.
Triji with .05 Mil clicks. https://www.opticsplanet.com/v/3000017-trijicon-tenmile-5-50x56mm-extreme.html
Looks like sightron and March still make several models with .05 mil/click adjustment. Most are super high power though. 5-40X or 5-50X.
BTW - March is the nicest piece of glass I own. Schott glass is the cat's meow. March glass is the tiger's roar.
What difference does it make what others are using in competitions?
I started with MOA on my old Leupold scopes (I click = 1/4"), and stuck to MOA with my NF scopes. I am very comfortable thinking in inches and MOA as I translate a miss at 400 or 500 yds to scope adustment, so I'm sticking to MOA.
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Lee here, 338 dude, I have an athlon scope, ares, it is nice, it was 450 on sale, probably worth the $800 plus now. Made in China...
Today, I received an email from Eurooptic announcing a sale on Vortex Strike Eagle 4-24x50 EBR-4 MOA for $379.99
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$450. Dang that's a deal.
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True. However, for MOA, you have to deal with the calculation to mechanical transition error. For instance, the calculation may give a 10.6 MOA solution and you have to decide whether to click to 10.5 or 10.75. Either way, this error pretty much destroys the "MOA is a more precise system" argument. You may say that the error is insignificant, and I agree that it is, but it's induced error nonetheless.
Whether it be mils or MOA, it is practically impossible for even the best of shooters to distinguish a difference between 3.6" per click with Mils or 2.6" per click with MOA at 1000 yards.
There really is no wrong answer here. Use what you're comfortable with.
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Haha you'd think that, but I was looking at sig tango 6 3-18 and the MIL DEVL (I think) reticle was over $200 more than the others
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Haha you'd think that, but I was looking at sig tango 6 3-18 and the MIL DEVL (I think) reticle was over $200 more than the others
Some reticles cost more than others in different scopes. It applies to MOA models in some brands as well. The price difference has nothing to do with mils and MOA.
This was my way of thinking. MOA would get me to 1,075 on the first rotation where MIL would get me to 1,300. Then I could get to a mile on less than two rotation of MIL while needing nearly 2.5 rotations with MOA. But I may just stick with MOA for now
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What do you think of the glass and the erector system?Athlon Optics Midas TAC Rifle Scope 6-24x 50mm APRS3 MIL Reticle Matte
Athlon Optics has listened to customer feedback and suggestions and developed the Midas Tactical. Loaded with features including HD glass, fully...
Lee here, 338 dude, I have an athlon scope, ares, it is nice, it was 450 on sale, probably worth the $800 plus now. Made in China...
Thanks for the heads up. That's actually really tempting but I really want 25 MOA per rev. All the steel I shoot is beyond 700 yards which would put me into the second rev on that scope. But I appreciate you looking out
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If you are thinking in inches, then you are doing it wrong.
MRAD users don't think in centimeters, they think in MRADS (MILS). That is one of the main reasons that shooters who learn to use MILS don't go back. Since Americans don't think in centimeters, it is easier for them to let loose of that uneccessary step of converting a linear measurement into an angular one.
If you are determined to stick with MOA, then learn to think in MOA. Your drop in MOA, your wind in MOA, your corrections in MOA. If you have to "think inches" then you haven't evolved your technique past what we always had to do when duplex reticles were all that was available.
XSIVSPD
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Not necessarily.
I and at least one other person that replied to this post use them to measure targets.
Moa to inches @ xxx yards is much easier math for me to do in my head than mil to inches @xxx yards. If you're somone that measures things in metric, the math is easier if you use mrad.
I pick what's easiest to do quickly under field conditions.
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Measure what? Are you mil'ing a target in moa? Where in your long range shooting does inches in linear measurements come into play AT DISTANCE?
