RockyMtnMT
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$563/wolf reimbursement. Obviously not easy to get them.
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HARPERC
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If it's anything like the reimbursement ranchers were promised, the only thing tougher to get than a wolf is the reimbursement.
The thing about the reimbursement that the wolfhuggers are twisting is that it is NOT a bounty- it is reimbursing people for the expenses they incurred.
Just like everything else- they slant the truth because the really have no logical argument.
RockyMtnMT
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Yes. That was my point. No bounty just cost reimbursement. And I am pretty sure the guys that are getting reimbursement are proficient trappers. Also this doesn't include time.
My overriding point is to those who think we can all just go out and 3S the problem away, are fooling themselves and anyone who listens to them. The people spouting this look and sound like fools and are used to frame all sportsman as uneducated idiots that just want to kill everything.
Now I am sure that some of these shallow thinking folks will come out and call me a wolf hugger again.
https://www.rokslide.com/forums/thr...olf-reintroduction.124162/page-2#post-1170515 Buzz is on a couple forums I frequent. Some guys won't believe this info, but it is in line with what I believe has happened. mtmuley
HARPERC
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I followed the link as well as I could, and I'm not sure I made it to where you were pointing.
As near as I can tell you were pointing out winter kill, and human predation as factors in the decline of elk in the northern yellowstone.
Yes there have been bad winter kills, a friend sent me a clipping years ago (pre-internet) probably still here somewhere. The gist of which was the winter kill was so bad the predators/scavengers couldn't keep up. The clean up crew of that time were generally a bit lazier, and tended to finish a higher per cent of an animal before killing another.
Human predation can be regulated.
The reproductive rate of ungulates can produce quick recoveries, in these scenario's as neither really impacted the calf crop like the wolves have. I think it was the count of 2013 that failed to come up with a calf that made it into the next year. Single digit survival has been noted in several places.
Winter, and human hunting have seasons, and limits. Attempts to place limits on wolves is the issue. Recreational hunting/trapping/SSS/auto interactions to this point have failed to maintain wolves at any particular level.
Neither can it be denied (although they try) the wolves impact on other predators, grizzly dispersal from Yellowstone, single digit mountain lion production, etc. Or the contribution to the complete removal of caribou from the lower 48.
The current model of fair chase will have to be modified significantly if we are to manage this predator in a somewhat cost effective way. Guess what? wolves shot from helicopters on our dime are just as dead, as if the fly overs were conducted privately.
As near as I can tell you were pointing out winter kill, and human predation as factors in the decline of elk in the northern yellowstone.
Yes there have been bad winter kills, a friend sent me a clipping years ago (pre-internet) probably still here somewhere. The gist of which was the winter kill was so bad the predators/scavengers couldn't keep up. The clean up crew of that time were generally a bit lazier, and tended to finish a higher per cent of an animal before killing another.
Human predation can be regulated.
The reproductive rate of ungulates can produce quick recoveries, in these scenario's as neither really impacted the calf crop like the wolves have. I think it was the count of 2013 that failed to come up with a calf that made it into the next year. Single digit survival has been noted in several places.
Winter, and human hunting have seasons, and limits. Attempts to place limits on wolves is the issue. Recreational hunting/trapping/SSS/auto interactions to this point have failed to maintain wolves at any particular level.
Neither can it be denied (although they try) the wolves impact on other predators, grizzly dispersal from Yellowstone, single digit mountain lion production, etc. Or the contribution to the complete removal of caribou from the lower 48.
The current model of fair chase will have to be modified significantly if we are to manage this predator in a somewhat cost effective way. Guess what? wolves shot from helicopters on our dime are just as dead, as if the fly overs were conducted privately.
I was living in Wyoming when they were starting to reintroduce them and everyone i knew was against it. Does anyone wonder why they were shot,trapped, and poisoned to near extinction 100 years ago! Why don't we just open all the prison gates and tell everybody to do whatever they want!
Gotta be that Global Warming thing.
Or encroachment. Way too many houses being built in Yellowstone.
Or encroachment. Way too many houses being built in Yellowstone.
RockyMtnMT
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Made me chuckle.
Yeah, I laugh every time I get into an argument with my very liberal sister and she brings up one or the other.
When Minnesota was in the middle of a bad cold snap this winter, I brought up the global warming and yep- THAT's what was causing the record cold!
You gotta laugh, but at the same time it's pretty sad that people can't use their own brain to see past the political rhetoric.
https://missoulian.com/outdoors/lon...cle_57fb1884-f888-59b9-adfa-83d47c1982ac.html Maybe this is a problem. mtmuley
