Snowbird
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Honestly, the more time i spend looking at short suppressors that are lite weight, the more confused i get. it's nice to have options but sure seems like a lot of bs to wade thru.
maybe this is the year for a suppressor
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hunter67wa
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You buy a can for sound suppression so do your research and buy the one that works the best in that area. BTW go direct thread. The can will work better and Ive seen baffle strikes on cans with quick connects as they werent quite all the way on and those add on are expensive for every rifle. For the price you could buy a second can.
Memberberries
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I agree and disagree on the direct thread vs quick attach. I've seen baffle strikes on both and I've seen flawless operation of both, it's all in the person using it. Make sure that you regularly check direct thread cans when shooting, not hard to do and it's a good habit to have.
When you compare the cost it's into the Grey area because I can only shoot one rifle at a time but I can easily bring multiple to the range, the cost of a tax stamp for a second can buys me 3 asr single port muzzle brakes($66 a piece at midway vs $200 tax stamp) . These brakes can be different threads where I would have needed multiple fixed mounts anyway at about the same cost as the muzzle device and now I see the cost as a mute point, most people aren't setting up enough guns for their one QD can to actually pay for another can. If I wanted a different caliber can for more effective suppression on that caliber I would justify it in that way but I think that my 30 cal can works good enough on a 22-250 that I personally don't need the smaller bore can.
My favorite hunting can is my harvester. I have both the asr mount and the direct thread and when setting up my phone with a sound meter app I can't see any difference between the two. Not saying it's not there just that you need better equipment to measure it. I actually feel like I get more first round pop with direct thread because of the larger blast chamber area but better follow-up shot suppression. The direct thread is lighter but I use the ASR mount more often. The anchor brake on the harvester is another nice feature, I've used both the flat front cap and the brake and prefer shooting with the brake.
There are a lot of options out there and there are many different ways to make a quick attach adapter. I personally prefer locking type adapters such as the silencerco ASR or many of the others that index and lock. I've never had mine come loose, it gets used on bolt actions and semi-autos. No mag dumps because it's not rated for full auto but it does get a lot of rounds.
I've got direct thread cans and a couple types of QD's. A direct thread can on a barrel gets loose when shooting then if you snug while it's hot you can't get the can off once cooled, you have to loosen the can while hot. Not a problem if the can lives with that gun but if you move it around at home you get tired of having to find a wrench or burn 5 rounds heating up the can to remove it. My safe is too short for me to leave cans on my longer guns, not an issue on short ones though. That problem will be solved some day but for now it's more of an inconvenience for direct thread.
There are more opinions on this subject than you can shake a stick at and I know that I'm just one more guy sharing his opinion on the internet and I don't expect it to be enlightening for anyone. This is just a summary of my thoughts based on personal experience. Make sure that you make your decision based on what is important to you and if you are worried about carrying a 9" can vs a 7" can on the end of your gun in the woods maybe consider a qd can and carrying the can in a pouch on the stock or something like that. You don't notice the length when shooting, the longer can might help you be more stable except in stiff wind and provide better sound suppression.
When you compare the cost it's into the Grey area because I can only shoot one rifle at a time but I can easily bring multiple to the range, the cost of a tax stamp for a second can buys me 3 asr single port muzzle brakes($66 a piece at midway vs $200 tax stamp) . These brakes can be different threads where I would have needed multiple fixed mounts anyway at about the same cost as the muzzle device and now I see the cost as a mute point, most people aren't setting up enough guns for their one QD can to actually pay for another can. If I wanted a different caliber can for more effective suppression on that caliber I would justify it in that way but I think that my 30 cal can works good enough on a 22-250 that I personally don't need the smaller bore can.
My favorite hunting can is my harvester. I have both the asr mount and the direct thread and when setting up my phone with a sound meter app I can't see any difference between the two. Not saying it's not there just that you need better equipment to measure it. I actually feel like I get more first round pop with direct thread because of the larger blast chamber area but better follow-up shot suppression. The direct thread is lighter but I use the ASR mount more often. The anchor brake on the harvester is another nice feature, I've used both the flat front cap and the brake and prefer shooting with the brake.
There are a lot of options out there and there are many different ways to make a quick attach adapter. I personally prefer locking type adapters such as the silencerco ASR or many of the others that index and lock. I've never had mine come loose, it gets used on bolt actions and semi-autos. No mag dumps because it's not rated for full auto but it does get a lot of rounds.
I've got direct thread cans and a couple types of QD's. A direct thread can on a barrel gets loose when shooting then if you snug while it's hot you can't get the can off once cooled, you have to loosen the can while hot. Not a problem if the can lives with that gun but if you move it around at home you get tired of having to find a wrench or burn 5 rounds heating up the can to remove it. My safe is too short for me to leave cans on my longer guns, not an issue on short ones though. That problem will be solved some day but for now it's more of an inconvenience for direct thread.
There are more opinions on this subject than you can shake a stick at and I know that I'm just one more guy sharing his opinion on the internet and I don't expect it to be enlightening for anyone. This is just a summary of my thoughts based on personal experience. Make sure that you make your decision based on what is important to you and if you are worried about carrying a 9" can vs a 7" can on the end of your gun in the woods maybe consider a qd can and carrying the can in a pouch on the stock or something like that. You don't notice the length when shooting, the longer can might help you be more stable except in stiff wind and provide better sound suppression.
Be careful, the NFA addiction is a real thing! I have 5 suppressors in jail right now. I don't think that direct thread vs QD really matters.. I have heard arguments both ways. The biggest argument I hear is that some manufactures don't have concentric threads on the barrel, which may result in a baffle strike. However, with that logic, won't the muzzle brake with its own threads / attachment system be crooked as well?? For me I run Area 419 muzzle brakes on all my guns. Yes, they are expensive at 165 a pop, but they are also tool less and easy to use. 419 also sells suppressor attachments, so if you have 5 guns running the area 419 brake then you can swap the suppressor in a matter of moments to any of those.
Although, I will say that your bigger issue is that you don't simply have a suppressor for each of your guns
once your shoot with a suppressor you will never want to shoot without again.
Although, I will say that your bigger issue is that you don't simply have a suppressor for each of your guns
once your shoot with a suppressor you will never want to shoot without again.Just got my first one two weeks ago and put another into the process last week. Both a direct threads...both cans came with two thread adapters. I had to request a replacement for the 5/8 x 24 because they didn't cut the first thread all the end so it wouldn't start.
Well a little work with a 16 thread cut thread file it is now GTG. They already had the replacement on the way so I got an extra on right off the bat.
I even requested the 1/2 x 36 for my 7.62x39 AR. So I have 5 adapters for two cans; 1/2 x 28 (2)...1/2 x 36 (1)and a couple 5/8 x 24 (2).
That makes it somewhat easier to move around...the bigger threads help it start easier even in the dark.
Well a little work with a 16 thread cut thread file it is now GTG. They already had the replacement on the way so I got an extra on right off the bat.
I even requested the 1/2 x 36 for my 7.62x39 AR. So I have 5 adapters for two cans; 1/2 x 28 (2)...1/2 x 36 (1)and a couple 5/8 x 24 (2).
That makes it somewhat easier to move around...the bigger threads help it start easier even in the dark.
Snowbird
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thanks to everyone for their experienced opinions. i'm excited about the opportunity to save some hearing for my later years and maybe not spook the whole herd in case a follow up shot is needed.
i've gone back and forth about a decision on quite a few suppressors. gemtech tracker and silencerco harvester were two i liked for the price and reasonable weight. the tracker was out of stock online.
the tbac ultra7 was the most interesting for it's weight and reputation but maybe a bit overbuilt for my needs.
the crux nemesis 30 was up there but couldn't take the plunge due to their reputation with a previous business and grand claims. the snake oil salesman in the videos didn't ease my concerns either.
the rugged radiant looked good and was modular but didn't seem to suppress as well in tests as others. it also was not offered in DT.
the dakota varminter 4.0 seemed like it was overly simplistic compared to the rest and didn't suppress as well as others in it's shorter form. i really wanted to like this one but thought i might as well get some freeze plugs and do a form 1.
all that brings me back to the longer harvester with direct thread and the anchor brake. i was surprised to hear that it actually works and is more effective on larger cartridges. silencerco is in my backyard and has a great customer service reputation. i have one in the cart now with a 1/2x28 thread adapter. just waiting to sleep on it and make a decision tomorrow. am i missing anything?
i've gone back and forth about a decision on quite a few suppressors. gemtech tracker and silencerco harvester were two i liked for the price and reasonable weight. the tracker was out of stock online.
the tbac ultra7 was the most interesting for it's weight and reputation but maybe a bit overbuilt for my needs.
the crux nemesis 30 was up there but couldn't take the plunge due to their reputation with a previous business and grand claims. the snake oil salesman in the videos didn't ease my concerns either.
the rugged radiant looked good and was modular but didn't seem to suppress as well in tests as others. it also was not offered in DT.
the dakota varminter 4.0 seemed like it was overly simplistic compared to the rest and didn't suppress as well as others in it's shorter form. i really wanted to like this one but thought i might as well get some freeze plugs and do a form 1.
all that brings me back to the longer harvester with direct thread and the anchor brake. i was surprised to hear that it actually works and is more effective on larger cartridges. silencerco is in my backyard and has a great customer service reputation. i have one in the cart now with a 1/2x28 thread adapter. just waiting to sleep on it and make a decision tomorrow. am i missing anything?
Memberberries
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File the paperwork and while you're at it do yourself a favor and get a 22 can. You'll be glad you did
Hatrick
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Hey Capt, Is this the Rebel you talked about?
Snowbird
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File the paperwork and while you're at it do yourself a favor and get a 22 can. You'll be glad you did
You know it's funny you mention that. I've been interested in one for a while but couldn't justify the tax stamp on it. My understanding is that it's one stamp per suppressor. Is that correct?
I was shooting aguila colibri rounds for a while and was happy with close shots on putguts outside my cabin. Later I pulled out my old winchester Model 74 and started shooting quiet 22 shorts. Those have filled my need for the time being. They are as quiet as my neighbors 22lr suppressed and they kill potguts.
I keep reading the threads from a couple years back when they gave you a 22 suppressor with your large caliber purchase. Too bad I missed that deal. I'm guessing that extended wait times when an influx of customers jumped on it.
cohunt
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22 suppressors are a hoot--stupid quiet with sub sonic rounds (I like cci standard velocity, its subsonic out of my guns and much cheaper than "suppressor" ammo especially in bolt guns-- the cost of 22 suppressors is $200 and up... and yes, 1 stamp/application per suppressor (so $200 ea just for the tax stamp added to the cost of the can) -- or you could form 1 a 22lr suppressor (still $200 stamp fee but build it for about $100) --- watch for black friday deals, you may find that prices will drop or they may offer those "free" 22lr cans again, who knows
Memberberries
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It's less about the cost of the tax stamp and more the hassle of going and getting fingerprinted and the paperwork. Many dealers will make you a better deal if you buy a pair of cans, sometimes enough to cover the stamp on the second one.
Snowbird
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Thanks that all makes sense. One more question regarding the check. I still have my old address on my checks. The cash fine everywhere else but I realize the government can be different. Do I need to order new checks first?
cohunt
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to be safe, I would-- you don't want anything hanging up the process-- they can deny it at any time and you might have to start the process all over again--really don't know but Its better safe than sorry -- you can get new checks in just a few days
Snowbird
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Maybe a bank counter check would be the best option for now. Should clear like a personal check so I can see when it's cashed.
