Yea, when I said heavy mono, that's what I had in mind. The heaviest being the 95gr. LRX but I also know the 80gr. TTSX will more than do the trick. I know both the .243 (in at least an 8 twist) and 6 creed will handle those mono's fine for deer, I think where I had some skepticism on the 6 creed was on the lighter varmint type bullets as most of what you can find on the .243 seems like it lends itself better to that. That being said, I am a reloader, so I suppose it doesn't matter nearly as much.
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Yea, when I said heavy mono, that's what I had in mind. The heaviest being the 95gr. LRX but I also know the 80gr. TTSX will more than do the trick. I know both the .243 (in at least an 8 twist) and 6 creed will handle those mono's fine for deer, I think where I had some skepticism on the 6 creed was on the lighter varmint type bullets as most of what you can find on the .243 seems like it lends itself better to that. That being said, I am a reloader, so I suppose it doesn't matter nearly as much.
marcos0901
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You might check out the 6gt 105s around 3k fps. I have mine on a Krieger 26 inch barrel 1:8 twist. It will hit coke cans out at 750 if I do my part. I shoot 80 gr Eldvt during coyote season around 3300. I have gotten it to 3450 with Varget but they were a little warm. I shot a doe at 600 with the 80 gt vt and it worked wonderful. I have also hit them with my 105 at 700 and that also worked well. Alpha, Lapua, and Hornady brass are decently easy to come by. It likes about any powder from 4166 to rl-16 from what I have tested. I have watched about 8-9 does taken with it under 300 and they don't make it far.
Nimrodmar10
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Out of my 6mm Creedmoor, I'm shooting the Nosler 55gr. Ballistic Tip Varmint bullets at 4108 fps with less than MOA accuracy. I'm also shooting the Hornady 87 gr V-Max at 3107 fps with great accuracy. It's not that hot a load, but it's plenty hot for the V-Max bullets.
Reemty J
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Coop2564 is spot on and some of the kills will be impressive !
That's incredibly helpful! Thank you for the info! What powder you using with those?
Nimrodmar10
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H414 for the 55 gr. And H4350 for the 87 gr.
I think maybe I need to reformulate my question and clarify some of the things I'm looking for and see if that changes anyone's opinion on which way I should go. After doing a TON more reading, I've noticed a few things that come up consistently in conversations between the .243 Win and the 6 Creed.
The first thing, and the one that I think has me the most stuck on choosing, is either cartridges ability to shoot long, heavy, high BC bullets. The 6 creed is designed specifically for it and if you build a fast twist .243 it'll do it all the same. For me, the longest, heaviest bullet I'm interested in shooting for this build is the 80gr. TTSX for deer (maybe the 95gr. LRX, but still not really long, or heavy). Everything else will be lighter bullets for coyotes, bobcats, fox, etc. Stuff in the 55-70gr. range more than likely.
I know the .243 is well suited for this and will also handle the mono's I want to shoot for deer. My main question is from the other side of how people normally talk about the 6 creed. I want to know how it handles smaller, lighter varmint bullets. Seeing as how that cartridge was designed with more headroom in the chamber to support those long heavy bullets and not effect powder capacity, am I going to have accuracy issues with short little light varmint bullets having to make a big jump into the lands? Or is this not an issue? I think this is the deciding factor for me, but the info is hard to come by because all people talk about when it comes to the 6 creed is the long heavy bullets it can handle. Which makes perfect sense, but for my use, I want to make sure it'll handle light short varmint bullets just as well as the .243. It would only be a likely never used but none the less appreciated fact of the 6 creed that I would have the option to load the over 100gr. high BC projectiles. I don't really see myself doing it, but I appreciate options.
Second thing, and far less of an issue, is factory ammo availability. No matter which cartridge I end up going with, I'm going to be reloading for it, so I'm not overly concerned with factory ammo availability, although I would put it in somewhat of a plus column. Alot of the threads I was reading were a little older so 6 creed ammo I don't think was quite as available then so maybe this is moot point in 2025. I just wanted to make sure it was stated that I'll be reloading this cartridge from the start.
Anyway, I hope you 6 creed guys might be able to provide some experience with the light varmint bullets (some already have) as I think that might tip the scales on which way I go.
Appreciate any input you guys and gals can offer. Shoot straight.
The first thing, and the one that I think has me the most stuck on choosing, is either cartridges ability to shoot long, heavy, high BC bullets. The 6 creed is designed specifically for it and if you build a fast twist .243 it'll do it all the same. For me, the longest, heaviest bullet I'm interested in shooting for this build is the 80gr. TTSX for deer (maybe the 95gr. LRX, but still not really long, or heavy). Everything else will be lighter bullets for coyotes, bobcats, fox, etc. Stuff in the 55-70gr. range more than likely.
I know the .243 is well suited for this and will also handle the mono's I want to shoot for deer. My main question is from the other side of how people normally talk about the 6 creed. I want to know how it handles smaller, lighter varmint bullets. Seeing as how that cartridge was designed with more headroom in the chamber to support those long heavy bullets and not effect powder capacity, am I going to have accuracy issues with short little light varmint bullets having to make a big jump into the lands? Or is this not an issue? I think this is the deciding factor for me, but the info is hard to come by because all people talk about when it comes to the 6 creed is the long heavy bullets it can handle. Which makes perfect sense, but for my use, I want to make sure it'll handle light short varmint bullets just as well as the .243. It would only be a likely never used but none the less appreciated fact of the 6 creed that I would have the option to load the over 100gr. high BC projectiles. I don't really see myself doing it, but I appreciate options.
Second thing, and far less of an issue, is factory ammo availability. No matter which cartridge I end up going with, I'm going to be reloading for it, so I'm not overly concerned with factory ammo availability, although I would put it in somewhat of a plus column. Alot of the threads I was reading were a little older so 6 creed ammo I don't think was quite as available then so maybe this is moot point in 2025. I just wanted to make sure it was stated that I'll be reloading this cartridge from the start.
Anyway, I hope you 6 creed guys might be able to provide some experience with the light varmint bullets (some already have) as I think that might tip the scales on which way I go.
Appreciate any input you guys and gals can offer. Shoot straight.
Wilderness Blacktail
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Here is how I use my 6CM and why. I have a 20 inch 6CM on a Tikka CTR action(perfection). I shoot 95gr TMKs(I consider them a light varmint bullet). They aren't super light weight and they aren't heavies. I have them at 3100fps and they could easily go more but shoot great and I don't need more fps. These bullets perform great on the coyotes it was set up for but also dose really well on deer and sod puppies if needed.
I would figure out what type of bullet you want to shoot and go from there with either 243 or 6CM. Either platform will work well for the light weight if set up for them. I do give an edge to the CM for longer VLDs and fitment. I also give the CM the edge to factory ammo for longe range shooting. My other 6CM is set up like the Tikka in a remage and shoots fantastic with 108 Hornady ELDMs.
For me I decide if I want lots of speed or if I want to use high bc bullet. I usually pick the higher BC stuff for predators and big game and use the speedy(.204/22.250) for sod puppies now days. I find I get more consistent kills and don't have to have perfect shot placement(broadside) with the heavier bullets.
If I where you I would do the 6CM and set it up for your 80-90gr bullets. Keep a 1-8 twist for if you want to try some lighter weight speedies. I have nothing against the 243 as it was my first rifle but I really really like the 6CM even if it is a creedmoor(manbunish).
Lastly, if you want to save fur shooting coyote, fox, and bobs I wouldn't shoot real light bullets in the 6mm. They tend to make a mess(my2cent/experience).
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Wilderness Blacktail
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Just so ya know the 95LRX is a long bullet at 1.270" It requires an 8" twist. Its far longer than the 90-100gr .244 bullets that shoot great in 10" twists.
I see a number of folks have had great accuracy out of various quick twist 6mms using light bullets. I think id just do some searches to see if u feel good about it.
If I decide to build a .243 it'll definitely be an 8 twist.
Agreed I need to do some research into the light bullet 6mm loads.
