Leupold=China Junk!

[permaculture]

One would figure that as part of "business intelligence" and marketing, vendors in the gun space area would have a presense in all forums such as this in order to help their reputation and ensure repeat business.

I know of someone who left the company I was working at to work for a company that was somehow able to provide a service of tracking comments made about your company on various sites and then provide you with that data in order to reply to comments about products and such.

 

[HARPERC]

One would figure that as part of "business intelligence" and marketing, vendors in the gun space area would have a presense in all forums such as this in order to help their reputation and ensure repeat business.

Well said! I've yet to fire a Berger bullet, but the fact they are here, proactive, and using their own product, has caused me to purchase some. I am also using a couple of other sponsors that I might not because they are here.

 

[Mikecr]

I'm sure Leupold sees it's customers through demographic and sales charts.
So many businesses out there that barricade themselves from customers, with a focus only on the bottom line.
It's as though it's easier for their numbers to go up by expanding and increasing their product lineup, rather than appeasing the end user through a charter -that put em on the map way back when.

I think it's a CEO mentality, given that they rape us blind regardless of what they do to a company's future.
Many are rewarded moreso to drive their companies into the dirt!
The quicker they do it, and with more than one company, the more golden parachutes they sail away with in a career...

You know I grew up hating communism. But the implications they've always made about capitalism are really on our door steps now.
Maybe it IS evil..

 

[streetglideok]

I would say its the new age business management that is used now. Cheapest parts sourced, all about the bottom line, and all about how to seperate money from the wallet on the profit end, instead of, build good stuff, take care of the customer, and the world will lead a path to your door. Then, with the employees they do have stateside, you cant fire someone, ever. Lets try behavior modification, and when that doesnt change things, then, we'll let them continue to work, screw things up, and just learn to work with them. Both of those ideals are a taste of my last employer, and direct supervisor. I probably dont need to include their love for the current president of the US. We had employees doing drugs at work, or showing up intoxicated, or hung over, ripping people off, doing shoddy work etc. When business was down(shock with people like that), it was all about cutting costs, and sticking it to the customers. When businesses go back to the older working hard for your money and fire the slackers who steal regardless who they are mentality, we will see some changes.

 

[ishootkittens]

*Scratches head* GOVT. MOTORS?? GM? Do you mean General Motors? If not im confused.. Im a buisness and accounting major and I dont know of a Govt Motors...OHHH was it a pun... as in...as in Bail-out humor?

OHh and Leupold sounds like they need some courses in CSR (Corporate Social Responsiblity)....Even though Ive heard great things about their customer service..

 

[C.O. Shooter]

OP,

You always could send the scope to a friend, have them mount the scope on a rifle, and sight in! Couldn't hurt! Not saying you are doing anything wrong, however, operator error is sometimes hard to admit and/or see!

 

[Trickymissfit]

*Scratches head* GOVT. MOTORS?? GM? Do you mean General Motors? If not im confused.. Im a buisness and accounting major and I dont know of a Govt Motors...OHHH was it a pun... as in...as in Bail-out humor?

OHh and Leupold sounds like they need some courses in CSR (Corporate Social Responsiblity)....Even though Ive heard great things about their customer service..

my comment could have gone into some serious depth, but would have been staked out on an ant hill. The auto bail out had nothing whatsoever to do with automobiles, but the the folks the come before they put a car together and after they put a car together. In otherwords 3.2 million people in the supplier networks, and the end user networks. And don't think that only two got government money; each company located here (including the Japs, Germans, and Koreans) have gotten or get money in one form or another. But few ever had to pay the money back as G.M. and Chrysler do. One company $312 million and never will have to pay a dime of it back.

Leupold needs to send their staff to an Edwards Demming seminar, and then weed the ones out that don't follow his ideas. Yet Mr. Demmings idea were very simple. Quality first at a decient cost tobe followed by increases in production volume. The world will beat a path to your door in the end. A fine example is a little company called Honda
gary

 

[Dalebow]

C.o.
I have prob mounted, more scoped than most will, time in military & police . Tracking froze up, got it free and redeemed and shot 3 coyotes and my deer. Have shot ton of critters at great distances. Yes poi can change with altitude and does, but not 8". If I can't zero a rifle. Put in pelican case, drive and can't hold zero or track then that is sad.I will never not shoot again and trust a scope but will not buy loopy again either.
My not shooting does not take away from dialing a scope and it not moving

 

[Boss Hoss]

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[Trickymissfit]

C.o.
I have prob mounted, more scoped than most will, time in military & police . Tracking froze up, got it free and redeemed and shot 3 coyotes and my deer. Have shot ton of critters at great distances. Yes poi can change with altitude and does, but not 8". If I can't zero a rifle. Put in pelican case, drive and can't hold zero or track then that is sad.I will never not shoot again and trust a scope but will not buy loopy again either.
My not shooting does not take away from dialing a scope and it not moving

Not trying to pick a solution, but let me add something here that I ran into once. The scope body was in such a bind (more like a twist) after it was mounted that that the side turret progressively got tighter and tighter. Yet it didn't kink the the scope tube. Everything looked great, and how it never put a kink in the tube still bugs me after twenty years. The particular rifle used it's own rings that locked into scallops cut in the reciever. A little work with a dial indicator found that one end was cut over .030" off from the other, plus another .012" in hight variation. Another one of old Bill's quality products I might add here!
gary

 

[BH Hunter]

What do you want for that ***?

 

[texan79]

Leupold has been building great products for years, serving hunters and tacticians alike well for years. Nightforce, Swarovsky, S&B, USO have all have had to service their scopes at one point in time. Everyone makes mistakes, and the afformentioned companies all fix them with no questions asked.

I understand your upset about the coin, but I dont think its all Leupolds fault. Personally, I take 3 rifles on each trip, so when Murphy strikes, I'm not SOL.

Again, I feel your pain on the money spent.

 

[Dalebow]

not a matter of needing another rifle, once I figured the problem out I put reg turret on, tapped with a rubber mallet, got it sighted in and shot 3 coyotes and a deer, issue was when I dialed in the range and the scope was so high on a 140yard shot. I actually had my cooper 270 westerner with me, cooper 6.5 creedmore, McWhorter 338 edge, problem was just didnt have in my hands when I got the the shot.
All I am saying is parts coming from China=junk parts.

 

[lightwind]

Remember in this post that the glass does not cause zero to flop around. That is mechanical. So, put the glass issues aside and add the fact that the mechanical retical system is flopping in the tube. I agree Chinese glass is lousy. However, this is an indication that more is wrong than the glass. Have others had this problem?