I have never made a wounding shot on a long range game animal. I have missed, but due to innattention, as in forgetting to dial back to zero twice or maybe even three times, and once for entering inclination incorrectly. I did gutshot a yote because I had an incorrect range for the first shot. I held an additional 5 MOA based upon seeing my first bullet impact short. He died within sight but I still did not like it. I do not like to make an animal even a yote to suffer because of me. I have busted milk jugs cold bore much further than 1 K. I have not taken an elk past 1200, but if the opportunity presents itself this year I will.
I am sorry that you do not get to hunt long range, I feel sorry for you, maybe you should migrate. Maybe that is the difference between us. The only thing that you do when you flub a shot is miss a target. They do not run around for two days dragging a leg. I have seen this and it is not pretty.
I still have not heard anything about your experiance although I have asked a couple of times if I recall. I may be wrong but there is not way I am going back and rereading this thread. How many barrels have you burned up on dedicated long range rigs? How many rifles have you worked drop charts that will usually allow you to make even a 1 MOA cold bore shot at 1500 yards?
You fudge velocities to make G7 BCs work correctly for you, right? Maybe you get them "good enough" I think you must have some problems with your scope. Maybe you need to go remeasure something. Have you ever seen a G1 BC work 100% correctly? If that was all you had to work with, you may think a little differently of my methods.
I have one rifle that does not fit the norm in I cannot make "correct" BCs work for that rifle. I can however make it work, with very good sucess. I do however have a good number of rifles that do work relatively well without resorting to BC juggling. G7 is a relatively new thing to many of us, maybe I could make it "correct" and have it still work if I had a G7 BC to try, I dunno.
I have already stated that I agree the G7 form factor is best. I still think you have to shoot the rifle at the ranges you are going to be shooting. Do you disagree with that? I have stated in probably just about every post I have flung into this thread, that you have to shoot the gun. Being a non hunter maybe that is not important to you being that you do not have the opportunity to hunt.
Do you think it is okay for someone having the best equipment available rifle, optics, range finder, ballistic computer using a G7 BC to take a shot longer than the equipment they are using has ever been proven to be accurate (remember this is a hunting site although you are apparently not a long range hunter)? If you dissagree with that then I will continue posting it, otherwise ...whatever. BTW my longest shot on a game animal was on a whitetail deer the vitals are about the size of a pie plate, which is not all that big.
BTW I am in complete agreement that once the dialing is done that just about any monkey can squeeze the trigger. In fact that argument is the reason I quit posting any of my hunts on this site. I let a buddy shoot a cow elk at 1187 yards. It was a good shot in calm conditions. I got chewed out about it by a couple of guys so said to hades with it.
Bob and Eddy,
You keep going on about your success in taking game at long range, and therefore this must prove that your methods are sound... I see it more appropriately as "close enough" to get the job done.
I have little doubt that you have made successful big game kills at +1000yds, it doesnt surprise me, nor does it impress me. - I know what it takes to deliver a cold bore shot at 1000yds - and being able to hit the relatively large vital zone of a large animal at this distance is hardly a challenge for a knowledgeable long range shooter with precision equipment, and armed with an accurate trajectory prediction, in all but the most difficult wind conditions...
See, this is how a gambler operates - they always tell you how much money they won last week, but never how much they lost the week before....So i ask you, for every big game animal youve harvested cleanly at +1000yds, how many shots have you missed and/or wounded at +1000yds? You dont need to answer this question, but if you dont include the answer and truthfully with your responses, then theres no point bragging about your successes as a basis for "your methods must be sound". Obviously, if you shoot at enough animals, eventually your going to kill some no matter how far away they are...
I dont get the opportunity to hunt at long range where i live, so i cannot give you a killing comparison, however i regularly make cold bore shots on milk bottles at varying distances in excess of 1000yds, and if you could witness my success rate, im sure you would agree i should have no problem killing an animal should i be presented the opportunity... I beleive this is not due to my extremely talented shooting skill, but rather that i have built a very accurate trajectory for my rifles, based around Bryans G7 BC coefficients which ive proven to myself, work better than any of my best efforts at deriving BC`s from drop, and then building a trajectory from it. I know this, because if i setup the shot (tell them required elevation and windage) even my buddies with no long range shooting experience whatsoever, can point, shoot and hit the same impressive cold bore shots... To me, this proves accurate information is more important than experience...
