Buck Fever
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There are different types of ladder tests. A velocity ladder is looking for a velocity node. An OCW ladder is looking for an accuracy node. They are not the same thing.
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Ladder Test vs QuickLoad - What do you prefer and why
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Buck Fever
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OCW does not care about velocity.
I guess Sherm you understand Ladder Test method less than I do. Its not identical velocity. "flat" is not literal, its where the velocity in three consecutive loads shows very little change. That region indicates a possible node, around which more testing could yield a very small group. I suggest you at least glance at the link I posted.
Anyways, I am asking for input from people who used the Ladder, either Creighton Auddette's original or the new 10 shot string variation method and also understand and have experience using the QuickLoad.
QuickLoad starts with modelling. Like many modelling programs in an field you can think of, your variables are more than the known. You approximate most, you calibrate with shooting results, get a new model around which you fine tune with actual range time
Anybody who used both have any comments?
Anyways, I am asking for input from people who used the Ladder, either Creighton Auddette's original or the new 10 shot string variation method and also understand and have experience using the QuickLoad.
QuickLoad starts with modelling. Like many modelling programs in an field you can think of, your variables are more than the known. You approximate most, you calibrate with shooting results, get a new model around which you fine tune with actual range time
Anybody who used both have any comments?
Buck Fever
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You sound more like a box ammo guy to me.
All I can tell you use whatever you like, I let the paper targets tell me what to do.
I bring a chrono out to get a baseline on velocity's when I'm loading for a new rifle and put it away untill I'm done and bring it out again to get my velocity for drops and speed up process on the barrel that's it.
I bring a chrono out to get a baseline on velocity's when I'm loading for a new rifle and put it away untill I'm done and bring it out again to get my velocity for drops and speed up process on the barrel that's it.
I have not used quickload but I have written millions of lines of code to do things like predictive response, optimization and pattern recognition. Software is based on assumptions, and there quickload will put you in the same parking aisle, but not in the same slot.
To wit: two machines, built with identical parts, by the same person, and controlled by simple code, can behave dramatically differently. Why? Harmonics.
I find quickload useful for "what if's", but the data don't mean shizzle until you put the pedal to the metal.
Sherm, thank you for your input . I just like to tinker. I started OCW for 338LM. I will also try the new variation of Ladder Test (10 shot string) and QL as soon as it gets a little cooler. I don't enjoy shooting in 100 degree days.
J E Custom
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The difference is , Quick load although accurate, is an estimate. A ladder test is actual data that is real world for your rifle. I like both but end up doing a ladder to be sure. 
J E CUSTOM
J E CUSTOM
J E Custom, I agree with you. QL is a model. Gives you a starting point. Need to fine tune from there. Its like taking a load from your friend. Just because it works in his rifle does not meant is the right one for yours. But it could be a starting poing.
