meatyrem
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Heck I'd be alright with the impacts they have now just to be available.
If you could have a manufacturer build a bullet, what would it be ?
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memtb
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Funny that you mention that. Back, in the late '80's when plastic tips were just getting offered, I called Nosler requesting them, they said it would never happen!
Not to many years later I was introduced to the Barnes X Bullet…..switched to mono, and have never reconsidered going to anything else! memtb
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shaughn
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No, think Nosler Partition, with the powdered tungsten locked in the base in a capsule. So that you don't have an exploder type bullet but a deep driving wide petal penetrator of a mono bullet, but the weight of a heavy lead bullet and the length of a lead bullet. But without the nasty lead should the dimbulb huggers say no more lead bullets.
No need for rebarreling to fast twist, or long throat but you have a bullet with the bearing length of say 180 grs that weighs 200 or 220 grs , with relief grooves you can get moving along and properly shaped and profiled imagine the potential for long range hunting since it isn't eating up case capacity.
That's what I am talking about.
akmtnhnt
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DRT has a 308 bullet with a .705BC. It's powdered tungsten core, not copper. But you're right, they don't penetrate like a all copped solid, but I think a lot of the point is, the vast majority of the time, you don't want a bullet to penetrate like a solid mono.
If a bullet was built like a partition with tungsten in the base instead of lead and all copper up front, it wouldn't be long like all copper, but it would really really want to swap ends. I bet it'd still end up needing faster than normal twist rates.
I think they more ideal bullet would be built like the Federal terminal ascent. Put a jacketed powdered tungsten core up front and a solid copper base. Let the front expand/come apart and have the flat wad-cutter looking solid base continue for penetration. The front would be heavier than the rear, which would help a lot in stabilizing it.
I like Berger bullets. DRT performs like Berger. TM 175 ($20.30/50) is lead and 175 TS ($77.12/50) mono. It does not require a fast twist, no band, and started as powder material; that's all I am saying.
akmtnhnt
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The badlands 150 BD2 exists. Vastly superior to the LRX line in flight, while still doing LRX things from a terminal perspective.
Leaf Litter
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I want, nay, NEED a sleek 358 boat tail bullet for my 1:12 twist 35 WAI. 200-225 grains, polymer tipped, copper or bonded bullet in the area of 1.35" total length. I'd love to see multiple grooves to reduce engraving pressure.
Hammer is supposedly coming out with Tipped bullets for 358 some time that would fit my parameters, but "supposedly" has been the status quo for many months now and no amount of times checking their website has produced anything.
The 225gr Nosler accubond is a good option, but they're unobtainable.
Ultimately I just want a 500-600 yard bullet for my Whelen.
Hammer is supposedly coming out with Tipped bullets for 358 some time that would fit my parameters, but "supposedly" has been the status quo for many months now and no amount of times checking their website has produced anything.
The 225gr Nosler accubond is a good option, but they're unobtainable.
Ultimately I just want a 500-600 yard bullet for my Whelen.
memtb
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Several years ago, Barnes had a Tungsten (I think) insert placed in a line of their bullets, to give them that additional weight which would shorten the bullet substantially! memtb
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shaughn
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The point of the bullet would be hollow with a nose cone , the tungsten for weight. Not a solid nose.
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shaughn
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Speer had a Tungsten core 375 caliber bullet in a box of 25, for a while.Speer called them African Grand Slam bullets. Could stop a Chrysler 440 Magnum from front or side impact, running at top speed.
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akmtnhnt
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That more or less can't exist. 225gr is going to be really short in a .358 diameter. To get a high BC 358 bullet, you're going to need to be up around 300gr or more, maybe a bit less in copper. Which won't be short. Even in lead. Cutting edge has that 340gr MTH with a G1 of .92 but it's over 2" long.
Back in the 90's and early 2000's, we swaged various bullets with powdered T cores that were heavy for caliber, mostly in .224, but they would stabilize in standard twists of the day, 1/9, 1/12 and 1/14". These were mostly in target/varmint design and usage, for the powdered T was frangible upon impacts.
I guess we could have done similar but with T in the back 1/2 or so and lead swaged in the front and tip for larger game hunting. But the cost would be prohibitive for most hunters to purchase and use, just as the old powdered T versions were back then. Economics and sales volumes often determine what a manufacturer will tool up for and invest much money, testing, etc.
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shaughn
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Barnes MRX bullet , was the design.
