I Hate Hammer Bullets!

[RamTruckMan]

I am likely equally or more jaded than you RamTruckMan. However, I struggle to understand your frame of reference for your claim(s) against Steve's character when you joined this forum last Saturday. Feel free to enlighten me re; your basis. I am truly curious.

I don't know Steve and never bought his product. I am quite familiar with human egocentricity and its attendant behaviors. Which is why I completely ignored this thread until today.

I have had several interactions with Steve and his fanatics over the years. Why do you think he started the thread?

 

[RamTruckMan]

He's another member here operating under a second account so he can say what he wants without risking his main account getting banned or taking a hit to his reputation.

Isn't sad that this is a route that members have to take in order to speak freely about Hammer? I allude to this in post 119 - if you criticize hammer bullets for anything, it leads to a ban. He is a site sponsor and I do not blame Len for protecting his revenue stream. But when that sponsor and his buddies intentionally egg people on, attack them, pick fight with them, its ridiculous.

 

[Len Backus]

Ramtruckman, now banned, is a new account by a previously banned member

 

[JMW67]

Yall better behave papas got his eye on us THANK GOD good day to you Len

 

[jcc]

It is pretty evident that most who hate Hammer Bullets have not used them but have formed a hatred just the same. Let us know how you got this hatred. We don't learn anything about our bullets this way, but we might learn something about marketing.

This was a thoroughly enjoyable 23 page experience. People ranting about posts not containing product specific evidence when the OP expressly asked for such responses. This thread is a treasure trove of human psychology.

 

[MagnumManiac]

I'm going to chime in just for fun and reference back to Steve's OP.

I read only 6 pages then I couldn't bear to waste any more of my time. In my opinion most of you (man-bun or not) guys and gals have completely ignored Steve's request in his premise for this thread because you just can't resist putting your voice out there (much like I am doing now on page 20-something to criticize you). I challenge you to read through 20+ pages and glean anything of substantive benefit to the OP.

Steve wants to understand legitimate criticism of his product. What's more, he specifically requested criticism only and no favorable reviews. Good grief! Y'all could not even do that…. In 6 pages I read 3 actual criticisms, maybe 4.

1 cost
2 erratic or perceived variable BC
3 poor penetration experience
4 haadji said the Hammer he shot produced 4" group at 100 yd. But then his solution is to re-barrel.

Good luck Steve with getting much useful info out of this self-absorbed gaggle of shooting experts.

Rant over.

No, he plainly stated that he wants ANY reason, whether you have or have not used his bullets, as to why you hate them.
Read the first post.
I know exactly who RamTruckMan is BTW.

Cheers.

 

[J_V_Berry]

I haven't used hammers yet but the thing that gives me a Pause is the weight retention. I am hunting in Alaska mainly for moose. I have to worry about some bears too. I would prefer high weight retention and deeper penetration while shooting smaller .30. 308,30-06,and 300wsm

 

[Pdvdh]

I know exactly who RamTruckMan is BTW.

Cheers.

Nothing to be proud of...
I know I'll never buy a Ram anything.

 

[coop2564]

Steve, have you considered making a tipped copper bullet that would not shed its peddles? Would that solve the terminal problems you were having and allow for a higher BC design? Might give your customers more options, especially if you could figure a way to get them open at less velocity than your competitors.

 

[CMP70306]

I haven't used hammers yet but the thing that gives me a Pause is the weight retention. I am hunting in Alaska mainly for moose. I have to worry about some bears too. I would prefer high weight retention and deeper penetration while shooting smaller .30. 308,30-06,and 300wsm

Not an exact comparison but I've only caught a handful of mono bullets, the first was a 145gr Controlled Chaos out of a .30-06 that made it through the sternum and ribs of a 200+# buck but was caught in the chest cavity resting back next to the spine above the guts. The other broadside shots with this combo were never found.

The second was the two 402gr Hammers I shot at my bison, the first went through the ribs, lungs and hit the far shoulder stopping in the hair on the offside hide. The second caught the back of the first shoulder, hit the spine and got stuck in the far shoulder. With a higher impact velocity they might have exited but the 45-70 just doesn't have enough hutzpah to maintain a high enough velocity to break the petals off at that weight.

All the others shot out of my 30-06, my brothers .300 win mag, and my 6.5 PRC, including the 4 that hit my 475# black bear, all exited despite some going through 2 ft of bear.

That being said there are several types all with different amounts of weight retention to suit your needs, just a matter of finding what works best for you.

 

[coop2564]

One other thought that's free lol. You said lead nosed bullets expanded easy and that lead acted like fluid and copper bullets needed fluid to function. What if you put lead into the open cavity of the bullets out the tip to a point to make more aero dynamic or tip it with the lead in cavity would that solve the terminal issues and raise the BC? The lead might throw off the bullets balance don't know, just a thought.

 

[choprzrul]

I have never fired a Hammer bullet at an animal. The only time I've shot them was through my 257 Roberts that had a new Bartein on it and wasn't broke in yet. My velocities kept climbing, so I was unable to gather meaningful data. Ended up creating a load with 115gr Partitions to go deer hunting with this fall.

I would like to know how long it will be to ship my order when I place it. Do you have a 2 week order/production/shipping turnaround time? 10 days? 3 days?

I'd also like to see larger quantities (500+) available with much better pricing if possible. 15, 50, or 100 count is fine for initial development and testing, but if I find a great load giving me great groups, I'd like to be able to order a bunch of them so I have the same lot number/generation.

Load data. I know you said you are working on load data, but I'd like to see some basic guidance. Example: 85gr AH in 6.5 Creedmoor. Give me 4 powder choices to start development. I don't need charge weights.....but having factory direction on powders that are known to work would be most helpful.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what "let it eat" means? BB has great advice and is quite helpful, but dang....define the sayings...

Keep up the good work

 

[JMW67]

I have never fired a Hammer bullet at an animal. The only time I've shot them was through my 257 Roberts that had a new Bartein on it and wasn't broke in yet. My velocities kept climbing, so I was unable to gather meaningful data. Ended up creating a load with 115gr Partitions to go deer hunting with this fall.

I would like to know how long it will be to ship my order when I place it. Do you have a 2 week order/production/shipping turnaround time? 10 days? 3 days?

I'd also like to see larger quantities (500+) available with much better pricing if possible. 15, 50, or 100 count is fine for initial development and testing, but if I find a great load giving me great groups, I'd like to be able to order a bunch of them so I have the same lot number/generation.

Load data. I know you said you are working on load data, but I'd like to see some basic guidance. Example: 85gr AH in 6.5 Creedmoor. Give me 4 powder choices to start development. I don't need charge weights.....but having factory direction on powders that are known to work would be most helpful.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what "let it eat" means? BB has great advice and is quite helpful, but dang....define the sayings...

Keep up the good work

Have you looked at the absolute load data on this site or are just wanting manufacturer data

 

[milo-2]

Ramtruckman, now banned, is a new account by a previously banned member

Through pure determination, he got a few punches in before the roundup, lol