That's too bad, muzzle brake is not only the best device in reducing recoil but also in reducing muzzle rise. All my .300 WMs sports a muzzle brake and the felt recoil is similar to that of .243s ... being able to spot target on impact is priceless.
Hotrod-ed 6.5 Creed Vs Slow 270 win
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That's too bad, muzzle brake is not only the best device in reducing recoil but also in reducing muzzle rise. All my .300 WMs sports a muzzle brake and the felt recoil is similar to that of .243s ... being able to spot target on impact is priceless.
J E Custom
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I never recommend Hot rodding any cartridge. You will hear velocities all Over the place for any cartridge and depending on your rifles barrel and chamber, you may or may not reach the same velocity as others
without problems.
The 6.5 CM is a very good round but it should not be pushed beyond
its capabilities like any other cartridge unless you want or expect to have problems.
If you are targeting a velocity with a certain caliber and weight, look at a cartridge in that caliber that will and can achieve that velocity at normal pressures and preferably exceed that velocity when approaching
max Pressures.
In other words, if you want 2700+ ft/sec using a 140 gr bullet build/buy a larger 6.5. There are many 6.5s that will exceed the CM
and some are short action cartridges and some are long action cartridges.
If recoil is an issue, that can be dealt with by installing a good muzzle brake or simply building a heavier rifle. If the 6.5 CM is built in a light rifle, and heavy bullets are used recoil may be objectionable. There have been many discussions about the 6.5s and somewhere on this site there is a "Pecking order" of Cartridges in 6.5 that compare velocities and energies of each one at SAMME recommended pressures. I looked for it but was unable to find it with my limited computer skills.
The 6.5 CM is a very good cartridge and in my opinion does not need to be loaded beyond SAMME pressures to get good performance. like any other cartridge, if SAMME pressures are exceeded, problems normally start and the life of the rifle and brass is shortened.
I have worked on many rifles that had been pushed beyond there normal limits (I have done it Myself more than once until I finally started using cartridges that would perform to my needs/wants without pushing them beyond there limits) and encountered many problems and expensive fixes.
Just My Opinion
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IndianaMatt
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If he is severely recoil shy he doesn't need a 7lb Rifle.
He's still can't decide between 6.5 and 270. He did bring up a good point for the 270...
Typically there is good accuracy a or close to min loads so developing an accurate min 270 load would be quick and easy.
While on the other hand, finding an accurate load near max loading can be difficult and time consuming.
What's your guys thoughts?
Typically there is good accuracy a or close to min loads so developing an accurate min 270 load would be quick and easy.
While on the other hand, finding an accurate load near max loading can be difficult and time consuming.
What's your guys thoughts?
Fair point, generally true. I'm a huge creedmoor fan. Part of the reason is because I can spot my own shots at short range because of the lack of recoil. I LOVE my magnum, LOVE LOVE it, but I shoot the creedmoor most because of the long bbl life. Low cost VERY available brass, and The enormous offering of high bc bullets 130-140gr.
Accurate max load in the creedmoor is REALY easy though, because of the powers it works with. Seriously if you can't get a sub .5 moa group out of H4350 and 140 or 143 eldx, you need to re-evaluate something fundamental. There are many other powders that work well, some even faster, possibly even turning out better groups.
I have found the H series, (H1000, H4831, H4350) give me zero suprises across calibers when I work up a load at 40F and go to 100F or vice versa.
Accurate max load in the creedmoor is REALY easy though, because of the powers it works with. Seriously if you can't get a sub .5 moa group out of H4350 and 140 or 143 eldx, you need to re-evaluate something fundamental. There are many other powders that work well, some even faster, possibly even turning out better groups.
I have found the H series, (H1000, H4831, H4350) give me zero suprises across calibers when I work up a load at 40F and go to 100F or vice versa.
I used to get worked up about ballistics. Today I am more likely to decide on a caliber based on brass quality, avalibility, and if I can get Redding or Forester seater dies.
Brass prep is sooooooo much more important than a couple bc points, and if I have to work with brass that has a 6-8 gr swing instead of a 1-4 gr spread I'll go with the Norma/lapua/nosler/hornady/federal choices over Winchester, whatever choices any day. Remington brass.... no, just no... no no no no no no no.... all th samework, only three firings to firecracks, split necks etc. I've seen batches with swings as high as 9 gr.
One thing the creedmoor has going for it, everyone making components for it today started with specifications to win matches, not to fill sporting store shelves with low cost ammo.
Brass prep is sooooooo much more important than a couple bc points, and if I have to work with brass that has a 6-8 gr swing instead of a 1-4 gr spread I'll go with the Norma/lapua/nosler/hornady/federal choices over Winchester, whatever choices any day. Remington brass.... no, just no... no no no no no no no.... all th samework, only three firings to firecracks, split necks etc. I've seen batches with swings as high as 9 gr.
One thing the creedmoor has going for it, everyone making components for it today started with specifications to win matches, not to fill sporting store shelves with low cost ammo.
stirner
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I tried some Superformance in my daughter's Browning 270, just because I had some left over from other experiments. Wound up getting around 3150 fps with a 130gr Barnes TTSX. That should recoil less than the 140gr bullets even wih the higher velocity. Very accurate, and the ES and SD were quite low.
To me, brass prep is the most tedious and time consuming part of the reloading process. The challenge is the load development process is finding the right bullet (and seating depth), powder, primer, etc combination out a rifle ... that is also the fun part ... but that's just me.
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I have both I'm running the 147 between 2830 and 2890 with Rl 26 The goal is 2855 that's the sweet spot for my rifle. I have not shot any game yet.
The 270's I own shoot 130's. If I take the brake off the creed it recoils more even being 2.5# heavier. It's more a wood stock vs a aluminum/synthetic stock. The 60.0gn of H4831 vs the 47 grn of Rl 26 is mitigated by the extra bullet weight. If recoil is the issue and a brake isn't the option wanted (get a beast brake anyway)
Use the hammer 117's in the 270. Push them around 3400(easily done) and everything out to 500yds will be in serious trouble.
The 270's I own shoot 130's. If I take the brake off the creed it recoils more even being 2.5# heavier. It's more a wood stock vs a aluminum/synthetic stock. The 60.0gn of H4831 vs the 47 grn of Rl 26 is mitigated by the extra bullet weight. If recoil is the issue and a brake isn't the option wanted (get a beast brake anyway)
Use the hammer 117's in the 270. Push them around 3400(easily done) and everything out to 500yds will be in serious trouble.
AFraser
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The 123gr Scenars at 3,000+ fps from the Creedmoor are very flat shooting, deadly on deer and hold 1200+ftlbs to 500 yds (sea level).
Low recoil, accurate and very low SDs can be achieved with RE17 (within book loads).
They've given me many one-shot kills on Whitetail-sized game.
Low recoil, accurate and very low SDs can be achieved with RE17 (within book loads).
They've given me many one-shot kills on Whitetail-sized game.
Dr. Vette
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If you're going to take a 270 and go for minimum loads, buy a smaller cartridge.
Yes, the 6.5 Creedmoor is slightly smaller, or as I previously noted there's the 243.
I have not found that finding an accurate load at one end or the other takes more or less time, but I generally do not spend time looking for minimum loads. I grab a smaller rifle from the safe.
snox801
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I agree the .243 is prob his best bet. I have a custom 6.5 creed I love. Haven't shot my .270 in years. But in all honesty. For what he wants it is very tough to beat the .243. Cheap easy ammo everywhere. Shoots flat and can take many kinds of game.
I agree but when he's wanting to take game (deer antelope and some elk) out to 500 yards, I don't think the 243 would get the job reliably done in my opinion
