Help Needed - Understanding Mils

[Montucky Roamer]

The only tricky part for me is making a wind call when spotting a shot with a spotting scope. Without a reticle to measure in mils i have a hard time saying how far off the miss was , like say," dial 1.4 mils left and shoot again. " Where , if it is in moa , I can get close without the reticle by thinking in inches and converting to moa.
A miss by a foot at 1k yards is about 1 moa. If someone's asks, what is that in mils , tell me quick? I couldn't tell ya yet without a reticle to measure. I need to work on that part. Without us all buying new spotters with reticles...how do you guys make a call like that? Without the ruler in the scope?

 

[Deleted member 48126]

The only tricky part for me is making a wind call when spotting a shot with a spotting scope. Without a reticle to measure in mils i have a hard time saying how far off the miss was , like say," dial 1.4 mils left and shoot again. " Where , if it is in moa , I can get close without the reticle by thinking in inches and converting to moa.
A miss by a foot at 1k yards is about 1 moa. If someone's asks, what is that in mils , tell me quick? I couldn't tell ya yet without a reticle to measure. I need to work on that part. Without us all buying new spotters with reticles...how do you guys make a call like that? Without the ruler in the scope?

~0.3 mils

 

[Montucky Roamer]

Thanks. Ok, yeah I get that one. I can figure them out eventually, but I can't come up with the number as easily as moa.
Unless I get back in scope to measure. Just need more time to make it second nature.

 

[Deleted member 48126]

Thanks. Ok, yeah I get that one. I can figure them out eventually, but I can't come up with the number as easily as moa.
Unless I get back in scope to measure. Just need more time to make it second nature.

just your friendly neighborhood engineer

 

[Montucky Roamer]

just your friendly neighborhood engineer

Oh for sure! I appreciate it. I'm just trying to come up with a way to make it a more streamlined system to just spot a shot and say..."ok , dial xxxmils right" when time is of the essence. Like I can with moa. I just see measurements in feet and inches so far.

 

[User4302021]

Oh for sure! I appreciate it. I'm just trying to come up with a way to make it a more streamlined system to just spot a shot and say..."ok , dial xxxmils right" when time is of the essence. Like I can with moa. I just see measurements in feet and inches so far.

You do it one of two ways:
1) You ask your shooter to measure the target in mils before he shoots. Then use the target size itself as reference to judge the mil correction. (e.g. The target is 0.3mils wide... he missed by one target width... therefore, 0.3 correction)

2) You skip the mil correction and use the target size directly (e.g. correction...1 target up and 1/2 target left.)

If time is really of the essence, most shooters learn quickly that holding for wind is preferable to dialing.

 

[Montucky Roamer]

You do it one of two ways:
1) You ask your shooter to measure the target in mils before he shoots. Then use the target size itself as reference to judge the mil correction. (e.g. The target is 0.3mils wide... he missed by one target width... therefore, 0.3 correction)

2) You skip the mil correction and use the target size directly (e.g. correction...1 target up and 1/2 target left.)

If time is really of the essence, most shooters learn quickly that holding for wind is preferable to dialing.
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Nice methods there. I'm here hoping to learn things like this! Yes I always hold wind. Thanks!

 

[brentc]

One of the smoothest features with mils is the BC method for wind calls. It's pretty dang slick.

 

[dfanonymous]

One of the smoothest features with mils is the BC method for wind calls. It's pretty dang slick.

It really is.

But the various BC methods aren't very common on this forum, and probably outside the basics of learning the system of mils when trying to use you own mpg gun and manually calculating your own wind. Skipping the basics is what leads to people creating threads on muzzle breaks for 6.5 creedmoors and using fast light bullets to cheat wind.

 

[User4302021]

It really is.

But the various BC methods aren't very common on this forum, and probably outside the basics of learning the system of mils when trying to use you own mph gun and manually calculating your own wind. Skipping the basics is what leads to people creating threads on muzzle breaks for 6.5 creedmoors and using fast light bullets to cheat wind.

For being a longrange shooting forum, it is amazing to me how little wind gets talked about here. It makes me think that most here either have the wind mastered, or don't regularly shoot far enough to see it matter.

 

[mod 700]

.1 mil is about 23/64ths of a inch, I work with a tape measure in my hand daily, and have to have a form of reference, in my simpleton way of thinking.
Mike

 

[Lethal_Chica]

.1 mil is about 23/64ths of a inch, I work with a tape measure in my hand daily, and have to have a form of reference, in my simpleton way of thinking.
Mike

Does this make it harder to do the conversion from Mils to Inches? I was hoping to find a way to make the transition, understanding Mils to the point I do not need to convert to another unit of measurement.

 

[Deleted member 48126]

Does this make it harder to do the conversion from Mils to Inches? I was hoping to find a way to make the transition, understanding Mils to the point I do not need to convert to another unit of measurement.

Dont...just think mils. No need for conversions unless you want to use your reticle for range finding. Instead of saying / thinking / converting to inches just stick with mils. The converting to inches is adding an unnecessary step.

 

[Lethal_Chica]

Dont...just think mils. No need for conversions unless you want to use your reticle for range finding. Instead of saying / thinking / converting to inches just stick with mils. The converting to inches is adding an unnecessary step.

Ok, that is what I was hoping someone would say and what I am striving for. I have had only one range session with my rifle and Mil scope. The range session was barrel-break in. The next range session (Sun or Mon) I will have some more time work on understanding mils while I look through the scope and make adjustments. Thank you for the insight! Victoria