Hammer Hunters?

[Northkill]

Yeah. You get called out for being too serious, then you get called out for not being serious enough. It's a tough game.

I agree but the smart @$$ comments followed up with little giggle faces do not appear to have constructive discussion in mind. I personally would like to see constructive discussions where we could help everyone cleanly take game and forget the biases but I suppose that is out of the question. I would really like not to feel that feeling when game is lost ever again.

Yah, there's the side where guys are doing the "funny thing" to try to lighten the mood when they feel it's getting a bit heavy. That's where some of it comes from. They get a break too. One reason I switched to trying monos was some disappointments with C&C's particularly on high velocity impacts. It's been a journey with the monos as well and I've learned a ton along the way. So far, thankfully, no game lost with a mono, but I've had some interesting and remarkable results in the process to say the least.

 

[Northkill]

Long distance or short distance what's your choice between these two bullets….McGuire copper rose or apex afterburner.

Both have made me happy at short and long. I say use whichever satisfies your accuracy and velocity expectations the best.

 

[Petey308]

Anyone that has experience with them. The tip on that McGuire scare me haha.

Yeah, it's definitely not conventional, but the cavity within is where the magic lies. The tip is just a thin cap that really aids in its aerodynamics and BC potential.

I'm still curious how it does with those steep angle, glancing off bone, etc shots.

 

[Petey308]

Yah, there's the side where guys are doing the "funny thing" to try to lighten the mood when they feel it's getting a bit heavy. That's where some of it comes from. They get a break too. One reason I switched to trying monos was some disappointments with C&C's particularly on high velocity impacts. It's been a journey with the monos as well and I've learned a ton along the way. So far, thankfully, no game lost with a mono, but I've had some interesting and remarkable results in the process to say the least.

Yep. You learn a ton testing. The tricky part though is understanding what you're seeing lol.

Have you had a chance to read through my new threads? I talk a lot about certain issues and things I've found that have helped produce better results with cup and core bullets. And yes, there's also stuff about monos, and a new take on the petal-shedding variety.

 

[Northkill]

Both have made me happy at short and long. I say use whichever satisfies your accuracy and velocity expectations the best.

Having said that, I'm excited about what Mark has coming up the pipe. It'll be some time till the "new" gets vetted and reported on with real-world hunting results, though, so take your pick. You may find the McGuire easier to tune in the current offerings. The Apex may have higher velocity potential. But again, variables apply.

Yeah, it's definitely not conventional, but the cavity within is where the magic lies. The tip is just a thin cap that really aids in its aerodynamics and BC potential.

I'm still curious how it does with those steep angle, glancing off bone, etc shots.

I pushed the 160 7mm on a close range high-velocity whitetail shoulder impact quartering to. The result was a reliable, quick kill with straight penetration and exit. No bullet recovered for evaluation so far, unfortunately. Not all a bad thing either as long as the terminal results are satisfactory. The "tip" is an interesting piece of work and I applaud Sam for it. Loved the looks of the bisected 160 gr...

 

[bigngreen]

Are you saying since it's spinning really fast it won't slow down from uneven deformation?

I'm not really talking about the decay of angular momentum. I'm talking about the effects of the rate of that angular momentum when uneven deformation occurs, or rather if it occurs. As in, how it exacerbates induced instability created by it. That is, if it doesn't help overcome the uneven deformation and actually help produce even deformation.

Think of a straight drill bit spinning at high RPM vs a bent one. Spinning it faster won't make it better, unless you spin it so fast the bent portion breaks off completely leaving only a straight piece once again.

First Q, No.

I lack the ability to clearly communicate whats going on from my perspective, I wish I could get one of my brothers to engage in this, both can convert all this into math but the one also has some fancy PhD in physics and he was able to break down what was happening when I brought him different results, hes a montana boy so he also had a good knowledge of wackn elk.

 

[WYO300RUM]

Hate when that happens.

If I'd of hit his shoulder....

 

[WYO300RUM]

I think you need to learn how to track game better. I've tracked out a bunch that never left a blood trail, some of them over a mile. If an animal moves, it leaved sign unless it's in concrete, asphalt, or flat rocks.

Wrong person. It's the OP with the problem.

 

[Petey308]

First Q, No.

I lack the ability to clearly communicate whats going on from my perspective, I wish I could get one of my brothers to engage in this, both can convert all this into math but the one also has some fancy PhD in physics and he was able to break down what was happening when I brought him different results, hes a montana boy so he also had a good knowledge of wackn elk.

Yeah it would be handy to have someone like that at your disposal lol. I'm just a dumb farm boy turned aircraft mechanic. I'm no physicist. I'm sure if I knew one that could understand the context of what I was asking him/her, I could better understand what I'm picturing in my own mind lol, and definitely be able to explain it better, properly, or at least more properly.

 

[WYO300RUM]

I've tested a few of them and I like em

Was wondering if you were going to post

 

[ButterBean]

Anyone that has experience with them. The tip on that McGuire scare me haha.

The cap on the MCGUIRE is an absolute work of art,

 

[Northkill]

Yep. You learn a ton testing. The tricky part though is understanding what you're seeing lol.

Have you had a chance to read through my new threads? I talk a lot about certain issues and things I've found that have helped produce better results with cup and core bullets. And yes, there's also stuff about monos, and a new take on the petal-shedding variety.

I've seen a bit of it at a casual review. Mostly stuff I've personally observed and learned over the years along with a bit of common sense... I respect your effort and passion. Most times it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand "what" is seen. The hard part at times is to understand how the "what" happened, like exits 90 deg from angle of impact. It takes time and resources to attempt to replicate results and put effort into objective analysis based on controlled factors and extrapolated data along with testing theories...all while being open to being wrong in the conclusions. Not much can be done to make a typical Berger style C&C react reliably to 3500+ fps impacts. It's just outside the design parameters. I like and use them in moderate chamberings... 6.5 Sherman Max, 7 LRM, Creedmoor, 300 PRC, etc. Even then often get some impressively explosive results at closer ranges. But that's what I expect, and don't call it a failure.

 

[Raudy707]

Love the 168 ABLR for elk. We've taken 5 elk, 2 antelope and 3 mule deer. 7 mag at 2980 fps. Very accurate and awesome wound channel. Stick with those Noslers!

 

[dogz]

Love the 168 ABLR for elk. We've taken 5 elk, 2 antelope and 3 mule deer. 7 mag at 2980 fps. Very accurate and awesome wound channel. Stick with those Noslers!

great load! Last really good bull I have taken was with this bullet out of my 7 Mashburn Super @3200 fps. Bull was @ 300 yds, knocked that old boy on his butt! I was hunting alone, darn near killed me getting him all back to the Tacoma