Hammer Bullets compressing my powder charge.

[Tech4]

That Hammer bullet is not much longer than the 150 Berger (1.294) and is much shorter than the 170 Berger (1.49) Something is not adding up here.

https://bergerbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/COAL.pdf

Good read here.

You need to use your Hornady OAL gauge and measure max coal with that bullet. Come off 50 thousandths from there and check to see if it fits in your boxmag, this will at least give you some type of reference starting point. If this fits or doesn't you can adjust from here. I know guys that are shooting the 170 Berger out of their 270 and have no issues and for many of the powders used they're starting load development in the mid 40 grain area. Here is a load development card used for the 170 Berger. Good luck and keep asking questions. Better to be safe than sorry.

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I did use the OAL gage or I wouldn't know that Hammer bullet base to ogive is .942 and ELD-X is.738. The hammer bullet doesn't go up the bore as far and is causing the problem with this rifle.

 

[Tech4]

I got that. I posted exactly what he was using for reference but I think you missed the part about his seating depth technique, see #109.

I got my load data from Hornady tenth edition n165 145gr max load 59.9 . if there different data for copper bullets I wasn't aware of it.

 

[Tech4]

I just replied on another forum topic about what I am going to mention to you. How do you know N165 is the best power for your rifle? Did you read in the book you are loading from that it's the most accurate load tested or are you looking at the fastest load? If you are doing either one is your rifle identical to the test rifle the published loads are derived from? Or, is the twist rate identical or barrel length? What you might find is your particular rifle likes totally opposite loads that the test rifle does. Regarding compressed loads, while I have loaded and shot some with excellent results, I always reduce my starting load 10% of maximum loads published and work my way up to the tightest group.
Hope this helps.

I did my own powder ladder test the how I know this powder is better than other powders for by rifle.

 

[yorke-1]

I got my load data from Hornady tenth edition n165 145gr max load 59.9 . if there different data for copper bullets I wasn't aware of it.

The important detail here that we've all been trying to help you with is that you cannot simply use data for standard lead core bullet of a similar weight when loading a solid copper bullet.

Following load data for ammunition is just like following a recipe for a cake. You can't just throw all the ingredients in a bowl, mix it up and put it in an oven. There is a process that needs to be followed and there are very important details which you need to be aware of. Respect the process and the details and you'll be rewarded with a beautiful finished product.

 

[Tech4]

I loaded the 145 Shock Hammer in my son in laws .270 Winchester. It's one of the easiest bullets I've loaded for, 12 rounds to a working sub MOA load with meat on the ground.

1) Erase the board for what you have stuck in your mind.
2) Build a dummy round-just case and bullet.
3 Seat a bullet so it fits comfortably, but use available magazine space.
4) Place it in the magazine, and cycle it. If it feeds without resistance were home for now.
5) If there is resistance, and it's not from the case itself, seat just a bit deeper until it chambers easily.
6) Now you've got it seated its overall length from base to tip will measure about 3.3".
7) Primer
8) Charge 4 or 5 with the minimum load listed in whatever manual you are referencing. Likely 52 grains plus or minus.
9) Range trip, firing one at a time, check for ease of extraction look at base for unusual marking. If good fire a group with the 4.
10) At home look at cases again-think about your goals. If everything looks, feels good consider adding another grain and repeat.

I'm out.

My rifle must have a shorter throat than yours ths bullet will not work in my rifle I think hunter Hammer will I am going to try that bullet.

 

[Tech4]

The important detail here that we've all been trying to help you with is that you cannot simply use data for standard lead core bullet of a similar weight when loading a solid copper bullet.

Following load data for ammunition is just like following a recipe for a cake. You can't just throw all the ingredients in a bowl, mix it up and put it in an oven. There is a process that needs to be followed and there are very important details which you need to be aware of. Respect the process and the details and you'll be rewarded with a beautiful finished product.

Ok now I know thank you for the information.

 

[just_jon]

In preparing to test the 130 Hammer Hunter in my 6.5 cm, I was searching Hammer's web site for a bullet seating depth recommendation and came across the following statement which is pertinent to this discussion:

"We recommend looking for a powder showing fairly high load density for similar weight bullets, but not compressed. We also recommend using a magnum primer to start ignition more quickly in order to seal the chamber as the bullet enters the bore."

 

[Tech4]

I need load data for 117gr hammer hunter I don't have it in my books. Where are you getting that information?

 

[adam32]

I weigh every charge.

So what is your COAL with the 145gr?

 

[19 Badger]

Steve is sending a box of 117 hunters to you. Did you happen to ask him on a powder recommendation and starting point? I will guarentee they have tried them in a .270 winchester and have some data on it.

 

[Rick Richard]

I need load data for 117gr hammer hunter I don't have it in my books. Where are you getting that information?

When I was developing my loads for a couple of different rifles, I went straight to Steve. He put me on the right track and in a couple of tries I was there. Just my experience. Good luck!

 

[Tech4]

So what is your COAL with the 145gr?

2.7 Max OL with OAL gauge is 2.77

 

[Tech4]

Steve is sending a box of 117 hunters to you. Did you happen to ask him on a powder recommendation and starting point? I will guarentee they have tried them in a .270 winchester and have some data on it.

H4350 but no min or max recommendation.

 

[Edd]

2.7 Max OL with OAL gauge is 2.77

You need a different yard stick. Someone left that one outside in the rain.