Very well put
Hammer bullet concern
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azsugarbear
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ALL bullets can/will fail at some point. A single instance or test is statistically meaningless. Show me multiple tests from different people using the same criteria and equipment and you will get my attention. I will continue to use the Absolute with confidence.
they have worked very well for me on several animals.
No failures here with quite a few critters having been introduced to the Hammer from woodchucks to whitetail. No survivors.
Hand Skills
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LOL, the fat acts as 'lubricant'...
It's a weird world out there...
Im afraid your intuition is correct - yes, bears are a high resistance target, similar in that regard to a hog.
I am so happy to have found this place, LRH is the only site I frequent. I have not used Facebook for about 10 years.
Thank you for posting the comment though - that guy has NO IDEA what he is talking about!!
jerry moore
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my exp with hammers they are made for specific twist rate if you don't go by the twist rate you will prob get tumblers i did,when i used right twist shot 1/2 in grps
shinbone
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Very interesting results by LRHG. If a bullet tumbles in a media, it is, by definition, unstable in it. This is true regardless of whether the bullet expands, sheds petals, or remains intact and undeformed. When a bullet tumbles, a slow twist is the obvious first suspicion. Especially since a 214g all-copper bullet in .30 cal is a very long bullet.
However, LRHG assures us that the twist is within specs. But, without more than his word on twist rate, and, in light of all the successful Hammer bullet testing and testimonials, especially tests showing that an under-spun Hammer bullet does exactly what is seen in LRHG's test, a lot of people are going to question LRHG's test.
A couple of shots into ballistic jell is a good start, but hardly is the final word on the terminal performance of a hunting bullet. I hope LRHG does more testing and shares his results. Different bullet weights and a couple of other rifles, especially with a faster twist, would be helpful to make his case if he still wants to conclude that Hammer bullets have bad terminal ballistics.
However, LRHG assures us that the twist is within specs. But, without more than his word on twist rate, and, in light of all the successful Hammer bullet testing and testimonials, especially tests showing that an under-spun Hammer bullet does exactly what is seen in LRHG's test, a lot of people are going to question LRHG's test.
A couple of shots into ballistic jell is a good start, but hardly is the final word on the terminal performance of a hunting bullet. I hope LRHG does more testing and shares his results. Different bullet weights and a couple of other rifles, especially with a faster twist, would be helpful to make his case if he still wants to conclude that Hammer bullets have bad terminal ballistics.
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jeremy.b
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Per one of the earlier replies in the YouTube comments they do clarify that it was a 1-8 twist they used.
Now taking a step back and putting my initial emotional response to the video aside (definitely not impressed), they are running one of the longest 30cal hammers.
I seem to recall discussions over on hammer time talking about the idea that it could take a lot more stability (say 4+ SG) to stabilize the super long for caliber projectiles through media.
Edit: A much more interesting test would be to run one of the 160 or possibly 180 class 30 cal hammers to see what they do.
Now taking a step back and putting my initial emotional response to the video aside (definitely not impressed), they are running one of the longest 30cal hammers.
I seem to recall discussions over on hammer time talking about the idea that it could take a lot more stability (say 4+ SG) to stabilize the super long for caliber projectiles through media.
Edit: A much more interesting test would be to run one of the 160 or possibly 180 class 30 cal hammers to see what they do.
this 214 in the 300WM will be slow, the 181 is a much better match to get the launch speed up.
jeremy.b
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Seabeeken
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Ok, Thanks to all. I suspected it to be a stability issue with the long heavy bullet and still do. I like the hammer but I'm new to them in hunting and this is the first year with them. They shoot awesome with groups out of my 257ai, 7x57ai, 338RCM, all running well under an inch. Ill be using the 92 gr HH in 25 cal and 120 HH in 7mm, and 186 SH in 338. Plenty of spin on them. I did NOT want to go back to Barnes. Never a failure with them in any way but it is an availability issue. Thanks again
adam32+P
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Never trust a man with more hair on his chin than his head. The dude seems like a total internet blowhard to me.
You can hunt in confidence.
