Fierce rifles?

[Trm82]

My experience with Fierce has been fine…as far as the quality of what I ended up with.

I wanted a quality rifle in Left Hand configuration, short action not a common thing, or at least wasn't 6 years ago.

I bought a CT Edge as a barrel-less Ti action and a carbon fiber stock. Ordered thru Precision Optics in BC.

Rifle (an action) arrived with a rh stock. Waited a while and its replacement arrived with wrong configuration. Third time lucky the correct stock arrived.

Sent her off for a HCA CF barrel in 1:8 7WSM. The smith (Andy at Dragon Mountain Machine) butchered the chamber to the extent that brass would not extract or re-size ( way oversize chamber). 7WSM is one of a small number of cartridges that can never be re-chambered to anything else. So that barrel is garbage.

Second barrel went 1:8.5 HCA in 7-300WSM for quality brass availability. G. Flach in Langley did a great job including magazine mod.

It's a light weight, easy to shoot hunting rifle. Barrel is 20". It fits me perfectly and shoots about 3/4 moa.

The sako style action instils confidence, but being Ti it's not super smooth, not that that is a big deal for a hunting rifle.

If you end up with one, cut or have a smith cut a groove in the mag release so that the magazine has to be pushed in like a Sako to be released or you will lose your mag in the woods ($200CDN)

After all the shenanigans and load development I probably have $6500 Cdn into it. It took me a while to warm up to but now I love and trust that rifle.

Took a moose this September, but not really LRH worthy, as the bull walked out 90 yards down river of me and graciously died on a small island.

I won't buy another one, but I won't sell the one I have either. It's a well built, light weight corrosion-proof do-all rifle for me.

Andy is a fantastic Gun smith and did two rifles for me last year and they are flawless. He will definitely get my business again.

I had 3 Fierce from precision optics last year and one from a local store and all 4 had extraction issues and had to visit a gunsmith.
Andy repairs the Fierce for precision optics and Andy hates them. He is constantly fixing Fierce rifles.

 

[Trm82]

Quality machine is far more important than most people realize
Glad you finally got what you were looking for
It sounds like andy from dragon mountain has the same craftsman ship as andy from insite arms
They botched my HCA Barrel i wanted them to chamber in 300 Norma
Same thing, sloppy oversized chamber

Had two rifles done by Andy this year and they are perfection and shoot as good as they look.

Not sure that this other guy needs to be posting Andy's name and business could've just called him the Gun Smith.
Sucks that he had a bad experience but the stuff I got from him was incredible.

 

[Asco6]

Had two rifles done by Andy this year and they are perfection and shoot as good as they look.

Not sure that this other guy needs to be posting Andy's name and business could've just called him the Gun Smith.
Sucks that he had a bad experience but the stuff I got from him was incredible.

I wouldn't have been so public with the problem if the above mentioned smith hadn't repeatedly lied to my face that everything was fine and then gone radio silence when confronted with a picture of the chamber he cut with a factory round of 7wsm inserted 60% of the way in….BACKWARDS. As well as way oversize caliper reading of the chamber.

If anyone wants to get a hold of him for me, I'd love a cheque for $1700.

The one good thing he did do was recommend Zediker's book on making the best possible hand loads. Excellent book.

 

[7mm man]

LGS owner has one in .308 and 6.5 creed. He loves them and says they're tack drivers. He also said that he'd never heard of any issues with them and had never had one returned. Those were all Waypoints though. They were unaware that the Boundary even existed when I went there looking for one. They ordered it, it came in within a week and he couldn't believe it when I brought it back because it wouldn't chamber a round. We'll see what happens.

I know I have seen a lot used of waypoint for sale out there and one of the gun magazines had a similar issue with the 2020 they first tried to review, I think in PRC. I believe all of their cases got stuck or something. Can't remember exactly, but I think it was a G&A article or one of those. I only get 8 or so magazines so my memory gets fuzzy.

 

[Chad Schmidt]

Another for just build a Borden. Jim makes top notch stuff.

 

[Trm82]

I wouldn't have been so public with the problem if the above mentioned smith hadn't repeatedly lied to my face that everything was fine and then gone radio silence when confronted with a picture of the chamber he cut with a factory round of 7wsm inserted 60% of the way in….BACKWARDS. As well as way oversize caliper reading of the chamber.

If anyone wants to get a hold of him for me, I'd love a cheque for $1700.

The one good thing he did do was recommend Zediker's book on making the best possible hand loads. Excellent book.

That's really sucks that your experience was so bad with him. The two chambers he did for me were so perfect you can use the brass in either gun (both 30 nosler )
I'm sorry yours went the way it did.
He should have fixed his F up and taken better care of you.

 

[Matt_C]

G'day all,
Have a question about Fierce rifles. Noticed they are imported by the company I used to do repairs for.
What is the go with these rifles? Are they worth the $7,000AUD price tag?
My own customs, when I was building them, ran into $10,000AUD because that was the market price.
Would these rifles, at $3,000USD, be considered a custom or just a high end production rifle?
I am looking for something, not sure if I want to buy or build, maybe on a Borden.
Opinions welcomed.

Cheers.

Go with the Borden build.

 

[zcarglen]

The triggers are absolute rubbish. A very poor copy of a Sako 85. Contact surfaces left with nitrided surface, no polishing at all and excessive play in the trigger pin are just the start of my problem with them.

My experience has been the exact opposite.......out of the 20m or so firearms I own, some of them modified, this trigger is the best in the group. Period.

 

[Shortmag11]

I know I have seen a lot used of waypoint for sale out there and one of the gun magazines had a similar issue with the 2020 they first tried to review, I think in PRC. I believe all of their cases got stuck or something. Can't remember exactly, but I think it was a G&A article or one of those. I only get 8 or so magazines so my memory gets fuzzy.

Hopefully they will make this right. If so, I'll have no problem but like the LGS owner said, did they just send this rifle out without even testing function and firing? He says no matter what Springfield does about it he will make it right even if he's got to give me a store credit towards a different brand of rifle. Only time will tell and I've got my

 

[LongBomber]

I have two a edge ti and a rival ti.
Fierce did a few things right, its to bad their finish work sucks. The mag lengths are right for long high bc bullets, something most factory rifles are not great with especially with the long action cartridges.

My edge ti is a 26n and was early production run in 2014(ish) and shot very well. Bottom metal was proud of the stock but that is a 5 minute fix. The function was always 100% and accuracy was stellar, if you kept the barrel cool it was pretty close to my f-open gun. It went somewhere over 500 rounds and just got a bartlien carbon last month. It doesn't shoot anything spectacular, but everything thats gone down the new barrel has been under 3/4moa for 10 shot groups/300y.

The rival I picked up on sale for about the same price as an action. Bedding was not great, bottom metal was also out of line and putting pressure into the action. Stock has some huge flaws in the carbon shell inside the mag box relief And the recoil pad is off by about 1/8". Took me about 2 hours to fix that all up, including cutting and epoxy filling the carbon stock in the mag box. All that tuned up and it puts 195eol's into nice 1/2 moa groups.

Of all the semi-customs or high end factory rifles the most accurate have been hs precision. The build quality have matched or exceeded most of the customs I have. I have had 5 hs rifles now that all easily printed groups under 1/2 moa.

 

[GUNNNN]

G'day all,
Have a question about Fierce rifles. Noticed they are imported by the company I used to do repairs for.
What is the go with these rifles? Are they worth the $7,000AUD price tag?
My own customs, when I was building them, ran into $10,000AUD because that was the market price.
Would these rifles, at $3,000USD, be considered a custom or just a high end production rifle?
I am looking for something, not sure if I want to buy or build, maybe on a Borden.
Opinions welcomed.

Cheers.

I thought I wanted one till I read all negative comments on these rifles

 

[Ronald W Schaefer]

I have a Fierce 6.8 Western carbon rouge custom and a 7mm-08 carbon rage. My friend has a 6.8 western and 6.5 Creedmoor, and my son has a 6.5 Creedmoor. The rifles shoot great, but customer service is lacking. The 6.5s have no issues and shoot to spec. Our 6.8 Westerns took two years to build and my friend's 6.8 has feeding issues that are still being slowly, grudgingly worked--sent back twice so far. My 7mm-08 took 14 months to build and shoots right on the ragged edge of specs...so...close enough I suppose. FYI, my wife's Weatherby Vanguard Camilla in 7mm-08 shoots better. Rifles were promised in four months--we ordered two years ahead of big elk hunt out west--wound up using rifles we already had since ours didn't show up in time. Great and innovative rifles but I think they got big too fast and didn't hire any new help...customer service is just a real s%$t show. I love the rifles but recently bought a Browning X-Bolt White Gold Medallion, 6.5 PRC off the shelf that far out shoots the Fierce with FACTORY ammo, so I think I'm done with spendy high end custom rifles when the best shooter in the gun safe is off the wall with factory ammo--it shot so well I didn't ever work up a load for it. Great rifles but IMO do not live up to the hype...and then there's that customer service thing.

 

[Ronald W Schaefer]

Correction on my previous post--7mm-08 is a Carbon Edge while 6.8 Western is a Carbon Rage.

 

[ddman]

My stepson bought a carbon rival in 7prc a couple years back and doesn't shoot any factory ammo worth a crap 1.5-2" ant best. I told him to order some dies and we could try to work up a load for it but he has yet to do that so idk it is possible to make one shoot or not. I tried to get him to just save a little more money and have my smith build exactly what he wanted but he's not one to wait on anything and had just got his first adult job and the money was burning a hole in his pocket.