Oh you will be surprised on how many people will purchase this.
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Rifleman97
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That's a lot of effort to make something inferior to the 28 nosler with a +p or long throat.
Ryan Pierce has gotten 28 nosler with 195's up to 3200+ out of a 28" barrel. Federal is claiming 3k fps with the 195's and they needed steel alloy cases to do it. Sure in a 2" shorter barrel most likely but still. Pierce just seated the bullets out long and got there without over pressure.
If I wanted a 7 to go fast I'd much rather call up Ryan and use traditional brass and it's well known and documented properties and characteristics. Federal claims it's a new alloy, so we have no idea what working properties it will have long term for reloadability, if and how much the casings wear out the chamber, etc.
Ryan Pierce has gotten 28 nosler with 195's up to 3200+ out of a 28" barrel. Federal is claiming 3k fps with the 195's and they needed steel alloy cases to do it. Sure in a 2" shorter barrel most likely but still. Pierce just seated the bullets out long and got there without over pressure.
If I wanted a 7 to go fast I'd much rather call up Ryan and use traditional brass and it's well known and documented properties and characteristics. Federal claims it's a new alloy, so we have no idea what working properties it will have long term for reloadability, if and how much the casings wear out the chamber, etc.
Better yet, "BC"
I like the benefits of the higher pressure rounds like 277 Fury and now this new federal 7mm. Higher velocity at lower recoil. I watched a youtube video and guy was getting 2900 fps with 16" sig cross with 277 Fury 150 Accubond hybrid ammo. That is same as 270 with 22" barrel. Very appealing to me for running a can as could be 22" oal vs 28" and much handier Could do same with 270 wsm or 6.8W but more powder/recoil since more powder. So, I can see the benefit. What is unknown are the cons. How easy to reload, will standard actions work, need a new beefier suppressor, cost of cases, etc. I have only seen speculation on these items so far but that could offset the benefit to me
As for getting more velocity by some nebulous form of throating and adding powder, etcā¦ that is running at higher pressure without the added protection of a more robust case. There is a reason steel is added to the equation
Lou
As for getting more velocity by some nebulous form of throating and adding powder, etcā¦ that is running at higher pressure without the added protection of a more robust case. There is a reason steel is added to the equation
Lou
comfisherman
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I mean we've maximized how much velocity we can drive at current pressures from all action lengths..... turning the pressure up is the only way we're gonna get more speed especially given the trend toward shorter barrels. I'm not sure the best use case was a long action 7MM.... and it'd be a first time in twenty years that federal is the one that actually develops the standard.. but this is probably the only frontier in cartridge development.
My concern is that without an accompanying improvement in barrel composition it's going to lead to short lived barrels. As a user of a short barreled 7 rum, most folks are going to struggle with sub 1000 round barrel life... even if that's a lifetime for a normal hunter.
While I'm doubtful about the re loading claims and not wild about adopting a savage to try it... we've flat out dome about all their is to do with a brass casses cartridge and a mid 60s pressure ceiling.
An older friend ended up with a 300 varminter from Richard Franklin. It was just a custom action (think his is a bat) that ran 300 wsm norma brass in a gain twist barrel to mid 80s on pressure. It flings 125 ballistic tips to the high 3000s. Usually gets three or four firings from the brass before pockets let loose.
Heck half the wildcats that are "more efficient" just because they aren't standard and run (or have case design that help hide) high pressure loads. So higher pressure is already proven at some level, kudos to federal to try and mainstream it.
My concern is that without an accompanying improvement in barrel composition it's going to lead to short lived barrels. As a user of a short barreled 7 rum, most folks are going to struggle with sub 1000 round barrel life... even if that's a lifetime for a normal hunter.
While I'm doubtful about the re loading claims and not wild about adopting a savage to try it... we've flat out dome about all their is to do with a brass casses cartridge and a mid 60s pressure ceiling.
An older friend ended up with a 300 varminter from Richard Franklin. It was just a custom action (think his is a bat) that ran 300 wsm norma brass in a gain twist barrel to mid 80s on pressure. It flings 125 ballistic tips to the high 3000s. Usually gets three or four firings from the brass before pockets let loose.
Heck half the wildcats that are "more efficient" just because they aren't standard and run (or have case design that help hide) high pressure loads. So higher pressure is already proven at some level, kudos to federal to try and mainstream it.
Tmaker hunter
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Does it say capacity anywhere ?
It looks smaller than a 280ai to me.
Just by eye i was guessing something like a steel case 7mm-08 running 80,000 psi
It looks smaller than a 280ai to me.
Just by eye i was guessing something like a steel case 7mm-08 running 80,000 psi
Short barrels are hot right now, so why not find a way to market factory ammunition to the guys running short barrels?
It's an interesting idea and I know I'll be watching it to see how it goes.
It's an interesting idea and I know I'll be watching it to see how it goes.
TonyRumore
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It will be siting beside the 9mm Federal shortly.
There may not be anyone here that even recalls that disaster.
Tony
There may not be anyone here that even recalls that disaster.
Tony
It will probably be as popular as the
338 Federal.
338 Federal.
You got me curious so I googled:
An Official Journal Of The NRA | 9 mm Federal: The Nine Millimeter Round Known to None
Going on 40 years ago, I blundered my way into my first job in the gunwriting business. It was a function of pure, dumb luck on my part and for that, I am eternally thankful. Among the many blessings of this luck were the great people I met and the range of new experiences. Such new people...
never heard of it...and I liked the 9mm back thenYou got me curious so I googled:
Talk about a "one off"! Like a 9mm Auto Rim but not properly executed. Too bad they didn't thicken the rim as we'd have more 9mm revolvers available today (probably) if they had sorted it out a bit.An Official Journal Of The NRA | 9 mm Federal: The Nine Millimeter Round Known to None
Going on 40 years ago, I blundered my way into my first job in the gunwriting business. It was a function of pure, dumb luck on my part and for that, I am eternally thankful. Among the many blessings of this luck were the great people I met and the range of new experiences. Such new people...www.shootingillustrated.com
If only it was also "tactical", then I'd get one....
