Eradicate the Wolf???!

[sp6x6]

Number of years back at Meadow Lake on opener some locals dropped some elk right on golf course Before we where Discovered around here

 

[TG-5150]

Number of years back at Meadow Lake on opener some locals dropped some elk right on golf course Before we where Discovered around here

I hunted all around there on Stoltze land and Forest Circus. Behind the aluminum plant on TeaKettle too. Good berry picking and Shaggy Maine's as well. Used to saw logs for a Stoltze logger. Just to the very north of Big Mt. used to be good hunting too. Lots of bears, all the time. Liked bow hunting it better. No dinner bells

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Number of years back at Meadow Lake on opener some locals dropped some elk right on golf course Before we where Discovered around here

Oh yea. Now I know what you are talking about. I thought you were talking about griz and elk on the coarse.

 

[HARPERC]

That's funny!.......Did they warn the golfers that the bear was coming? I bet they knew for days that that bear was in the river bottom and didn't even care to give warning......

I kind of take the opposite view, as the consequence is usually the powers to be shut everything down so nobody gets hurt.

Side note I recently saw a picture of a big tranquilized boar claiming it was the first grizzly west of the Pend O'Reille River.....Only about 30 years late that I know of. We've even had a video of one cavorting with the swing sets in a back yard years back that made the local news.

Now I have to decide if our F&G is lying, incompetent, or really that stupid, with enough evidence to support either view.

 

[Gcan]

Not getting at anything other than trying to understand your thinking that the government should be warning about where predators are. My feeling was confirmed by you. It is a way of thinking that comes from people that are from big cities. The kind of thinking that someone should be responsible for their safety.

If you go into the wilderness ypu must expect there are dangerous animals. You should go in thinking you WILL encounter one. I don't hunt anymore but when I did my eyes were always fixed on the down wind side of the trail. Always looking into bush and bramble. I had my 3 foot experience with a mother black bear 3' behind me and her cub 6' in front of me when I was young and foolish. I was lucky. I never left it to luck again.


The government will not, and you should not expect them to warn you. As a previous post stated. It is about power. Those directing this play know there will be tragic human/animal encounters. They need them. And when they have enough of them they will close area after area to hunting for your safety. But the "its about power and politics" guy was dead wrong about that being the answer. Our opponents are a cliche clic. Its all sound bites. They are told what to say and they go about spreading that word- Obama was the best President ever- Trump is a crook- Conservatives hate african Americans, etc. Not only do we allow it, we do it too. Its about politics is not an answer to "its about balance." Its like when your child asks you how you win at chess and you say, "why you capture your opponent's King" That is when you win a chess game, not HOW you win a chess game.

I agree. I can't prove it but it is feeling like game numbers here are getting better. Was a tough season this year with the lack of snow. I put a lot of days in the mission wilderness hunting or special muley tags with very poor results. I am chalking that up to the last two winters being very tough and long.

So I am hoping that I am correct that we are seeing a bounce back in the game numbers that were taken down by the wolves. I'm not seeing as much would sign as we used to. Fingers crossed!

Yes Steve I was at a function where Dianne Boyd spoke and she said the wolf numbers where down slightly,which as you know mirrors game counts in many predator /prey relationships.They have GPS and all kinds of ways for tracking these days.I also would say I saw less wolf sign,and raised them less bugling.Its just the damage has been done.Plus you know where I hunt lots grizz,Ive seen13 in one day in my youth,and cats that basically dont get hunted do to terrain.

The problem with automaton predation by wolves and bears in a artificially contrived game population is that after a bad winter or drought we can moderate the take numbers and seasons. But with wolves that have already had a disproportionate effect on yarded animals in a bad winter, the damage continues in fawning season and that damage becomes generational. If we are willing to let NATURE establish the balance, entire herds may decline to levels not seen since the 50-60s and bag limits fall to save the wolf.

 

[TG-5150]

Bag limits have already fallen to fed them, I grew up in region one in Montana. Used to be able to buy several whitetail doe tags, moose quota was almost triple in many areas.
This is true all the way down to grouse. Good thing the wolf doesn't care to fish

 

[shaughn]

Warning people about bears/wolves/cougars etc....I couldn't even begin to think how it would be ever made to work...people would ignore it anyway...Don't feed the wildlife...and what do you see on boob...ahhm... you tube?

Idiots by the gross feeding them or try and take selfies....Bison is standing on the trail....and people give it less concern than the strange dog they meet in their own neighbor hood....so warning would work as well as the multitudes that are already broadcasted...almost not at all.

Never saw X animal there before...I know where there are cougars that according to local authorities there were none...doing a deer cull in a built up area and low and behold this long lanky BIG kitty slunk out of the shadows and collected the latest result of our cull and dragged it back into the trees to enjoy it's free meal.... we spent the next 2 weeks watching over our shoulders just as much as we shot deer, because it didn't take long before it seemed to be following us to it's next meal....and the local CO thought we were full of it.....until we showed him footage shot at the time....

As far as wolves...they are here....unless a scorched earth approach is used...they will still be here as a sustainable breeding population..then 40 years later should they be knocked down to minimal population numbers now...we will start all over again...even without man doing the reintroduction....because it was happening naturally...

 

[NEMTHunter]

I kind of take the opposite view, as the consequence is usually the powers to be shut everything down so nobody gets hurt.

Side note I recently saw a picture of a big tranquilized boar claiming it was the first grizzly west of the Pend O'Reille River.....Only about 30 years late that I know of. We've even had a video of one cavorting with the swing sets in a back yard years back that made the local news.

Now I have to decide if our F&G is lying, incompetent, or really that stupid, with enough evidence to support either view.

I would tend to lean toward Lying. They have pulled that same stunt many of times.

Also they tell us there is no wolverines were I live. BUT we have seen them and there was one killed not far from our place. The interesting thing is it had a transmitter on it.

Then they claim yea we knew it was there. They had tagged it out west in MT and it had traveled down to Wyoming and then up to here. So I guess they can get around.

 

[HARPERC]

.....I would tend to lean toward Lying. They have pulled that same stunt many of times........

Once you've seen it, it's hard to unsee it.

 

[shaughn]

Maybe F&G is omitting the truth or waffeling because there is a lot of stupid people that would go towards a mother bear and cubs to get a picture or because they have to look at the cute cubs.....and cause a situation where the sow needs to be put down.. than would not approach and allow them to either move on their own or be quietly tranquilized...

How many baby deer/ducks/geese/fox get brought into animal shelters...when if left alone mama comes back and collects them....I see the adverts all the time about leaving baby ..whatever alone ..and not pick them up...but every single year people continue to do it.

People chase fire trucks to fires and cause issues for other emergency equipment trying to get to the scene...people will go for miles to see a car accident...and literally come to a stop...causing an accident "Misfortune Tourists" a LEO I know calls them...I call them ghouls...but I digress

I know of people who when they heard from the media or local grapevine went out to kill the rarely seen animal ...just so they can say they did...the SSS brigade is alive and well here...I would be the last person to tell any of them I saw a wolf down the way...because the only solution they see is to kill it...even if they are greatly misinformed in what they have been told...others would chase and crowd to get pictures potentially causing the animal to attack... and there we go back to having to put it down

Step back and think ...we all know people who will do stupid things....like basically trap a sow and cubs on a bridge...because we got to get a picture...throw bread to a grizzly bear so it hangs around so they can get the ultimate selfie or comes right up to that tin can they call a car....guess what happens to Mr. Bear? Challenge and harass a bison until it charges..throw snow balls at a cow moose and calf...who then is so stressed that she tromps an innocent person to death to protect her calf...

So the refrain that wolverine...not found in this area...Brown bear ...not for 30 years etc etc is as much to protect the public as it is to protect the animal...

Knowing people what would you do?

 

[HARPERC]

......,Knowing people what would you do?
Fact: People work for F&G.

There are at least 3 myths in this post 1) They know better than the rest of us. 2) They look after our best interest. 3) They are more honest than the general public.

 

[Barrelnut]

Oops. Nevermind.

 

[TG-5150]

Butchering an elk one time. Found a 30 Cal. Corelock in a ham. Butchering another found a **** broadhead buried in a backstrap. Almost cut myself on it. Both had been in them a year or more. Just a couple that got away from some experienced hunters, I guess.
A lot of my elk hunting can get kinda close and personal. Not the place for a Creedmoor. Sure if it's standing in a hay field, broadside, that's a different story.

I see what you did there. Haha

 

[Barrelnut]

I see what you did there. Haha

Thanks.