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Don't be a poacher.
- Thread starter Ohlongarm
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I agree.
You are simply wrong. While it varies by state and location, hunting on public and un-posted land is perfectly legal. You may define a lack of permission as trespassing, but the laws are very specific. The laws often list the type of fence and the number of signs per running foot. In NY state(not exactly a gun friendly or conservative state), when I was hunting there, the size and color of the sign was dictated.
So if it is not posted is that trespassing?
See, we start to get into legal minutia and semantics.
Poaching is breaking state game laws, whatever they may be.
Trespassing, written permission, posting...may or may not be involved.
The only necessary condition is breaking state game laws.
Your definition is entirely inaccurate and incomplete.
So yeah, take your own advice.
Poaching in essence is " the illegal taking of game"....
The law does not define which game or how....it is a given to the 'coppers' to be able to charge the person with a crime of whichever will stick best...and however many different charges they can incorporate into that case....
In this case....
1...hunter with no tag shooting a game animal....
2...hunter with no tag not tagging a game animal....
3...hunter shooting across property line without permission of property owner....
4...hunter taking a weapon used in a crime and presumably loaded onto a neighbor's property to retrieve an illegally taken game animal...
5....taking a game animal for illegal purposes(have heard this one before)
6....'whatever else anyone else can add to this'....
It all boils down to a person that shouldn't have been there to do what he did......guilty....
I do know a guy that shot a monster blacktail on his property with a bow at a close range bait station....the deer ran down his property and crossed onto neighbors...not posted...the neighbor knew nothing about the deer....three days of searching finally found the deer still alive stuck in a hole in the creek bottom and did not have the ability to get out....a 165" blacktail....picture posted on internet and the neighbors kid said he knew that buck.....and law intervened.....basic same scenario...of recovery...but shot on his own property....the deer was mounted and whatever meat left form having been eaten and made into jerky and pepperoni sticks....all confiscated by Oregon State police(game cops)....after a lengthy court battle the guy that shot it won the battle because the cop that pushed the case was a relative to the neighbor....which constituted illegal practice of fhe officer(canned).....would you be proud of the monster buck that you had a bajillion pictures of feeding at your bait station for 2 years prior to you shooting it...especially after spending 25000$ to fight it in court just to have the entire thing thrown out...and no monies returned......
The law does not define which game or how....it is a given to the 'coppers' to be able to charge the person with a crime of whichever will stick best...and however many different charges they can incorporate into that case....
In this case....
1...hunter with no tag shooting a game animal....
2...hunter with no tag not tagging a game animal....
3...hunter shooting across property line without permission of property owner....
4...hunter taking a weapon used in a crime and presumably loaded onto a neighbor's property to retrieve an illegally taken game animal...
5....taking a game animal for illegal purposes(have heard this one before)
6....'whatever else anyone else can add to this'....
It all boils down to a person that shouldn't have been there to do what he did......guilty....
I do know a guy that shot a monster blacktail on his property with a bow at a close range bait station....the deer ran down his property and crossed onto neighbors...not posted...the neighbor knew nothing about the deer....three days of searching finally found the deer still alive stuck in a hole in the creek bottom and did not have the ability to get out....a 165" blacktail....picture posted on internet and the neighbors kid said he knew that buck.....and law intervened.....basic same scenario...of recovery...but shot on his own property....the deer was mounted and whatever meat left form having been eaten and made into jerky and pepperoni sticks....all confiscated by Oregon State police(game cops)....after a lengthy court battle the guy that shot it won the battle because the cop that pushed the case was a relative to the neighbor....which constituted illegal practice of fhe officer(canned).....would you be proud of the monster buck that you had a bajillion pictures of feeding at your bait station for 2 years prior to you shooting it...especially after spending 25000$ to fight it in court just to have the entire thing thrown out...and no monies returned......
....and Oregon doesn't require signs of any kind....
And idaho did away with the signs and the red topped markers....
If you have any reason to think it may be someone's property and it is and you are just hiking thru it.....you are busted....
Best buddy here is GPS..ONx....
And idaho did away with the signs and the red topped markers....
If you have any reason to think it may be someone's property and it is and you are just hiking thru it.....you are busted....
Best buddy here is GPS..ONx....
KyCarl
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Hold on there I have some Native American friends and they do set their own laws
seasons and bag limits....Seems they have Sovereign Rights?
I pay a fee and they post the posted property's in the local news paper 12 times a year.
That's all I need do and I'm posted!
seasons and bag limits....Seems they have Sovereign Rights?
I pay a fee and they post the posted property's in the local news paper 12 times a year.
That's all I need do and I'm posted!
already said laws vary by local.
You are only confirming that you have to proactively post(in the manner required by your local law)
Yes, Native Americans (on reservation land) have Sovereign Rights.
You are no longer on your State land at the point. Correct.
Actually the tribe sets the time and amount of taking per family....it is not unregulated...some have to stay on Indian reservation lands....
In Oregon kitzhopper gave the Indian full hunting rights...anywhere and anytime......
well, that is just crazy.
Surprise you...he also stole millions with his girlfriend when obamacare was shoved down our throats.......
I don't think he ever went to jail for anything....
But hey...seems laundering money thru Ukraine isn't illegal either......400 billion...and another 450 billion to Iran....
We are all just in the wrong business....
I don't think he ever went to jail for anything....
But hey...seems laundering money thru Ukraine isn't illegal either......400 billion...and another 450 billion to Iran....
We are all just in the wrong business....
KyCarl
Well-Known Member
My friends live in Washington and they told me they could get me a Black Bear
They claim I would be dealing with the (I can't say it let alone spell it) Nation
Their tags and fees not the US Government or the state of Washington
Their land and laws..And they claim it's all legal as can be?
Walk me in the office and help me get squared away no hassles?
They claim I would be dealing with the (I can't say it let alone spell it) Nation
Their tags and fees not the US Government or the state of Washington
Their land and laws..And they claim it's all legal as can be?
Walk me in the office and help me get squared away no hassles?
Again take my advice. Taking game out of season or any other laws are not considered poaching. They have names for those laws. Poaching is the act of trespassing to hunt or fish. Hunting out of season is called " Hunting out of season". Shooting a deer at night without tags is called " night hunting". What this guy did is called poaching. He was trespassing to hunt.
you have not posted a single law with "poaching" in it.
Again, you are the one with word definition problems.
