I just do not like the way those 2 twist every thing around to thier faver. All it does is mess it up to where you do not know what is what. I trust Edge and the rest of the guys on Doug for real info you can use and be safe that it is right. Those 2 I think have coverd up way to much. For one how can you blow up a gun with a book load but yet say you have fired other wild loads in the same gun. I shoot a heavyer load in my 10ML-ll 50cal. If you read a lot of thier stuff they change the facts from one place to another. I just do not want to get going all they did was give smokeless a bad name. Done.