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Do you have to resize brass if you never fire and pull the bullet?

Question for you guys, when doing load development and finding pressure, say you work up 6 increasing powder charges and find pressure on the 4th charge. How do you treat the last 2 unfired cases? I know I can pull the bullet and just dump the powder back in my keg, but do I need to resize the brass before using again? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes but I haven't run across this yet in reloading as I just started.

Appreciate it fellas.
There are two issues here. 1. Your neck tension will be affected requiring neck sizing. 2. Pulling the bullet will stretch the sholder requiring set back. Use a full length die with neck bushing and get both done in one step. Always start from the same starting point when reloading. It's about consistency.
 
I predict that neck tension won't change.
Regardless of what interference you set the neck at, bullet seating expanded necks to cal, with spring back gripping.
So you pull a bullet, the neck springs back to ~1/2thou interference, now you seat another bullet into that interference.
It's exactly as it was before you pulled the bullet.
 
If you're looking for accuracy then by all means neck size. I don't have neck size dies so it's FLR for me without the expander in the die then mandrel die the necks. I also do not use a pulled bullet for anything other than for fire-forming, or plinking loads. I really haven't noticed any differences with pulled bullets, however I always strive for consistency. If I'm using pulled bullets I'm playing and not serious.
 
Question for you guys, when doing load development and finding pressure, say you work up 6 increasing powder charges and find pressure on the 4th charge. How do you treat the last 2 unfired cases? I know I can pull the bullet and just dump the powder back in my keg, but do I need to resize the brass before using again? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes but I haven't run across this yet in reloading as I just started.

Appreciate it fellas.

Some folks do it differently, but I ALWAYS pull 'em and reload with the selected load.

I ALWAYS run the case through a case gauge to check, even if I don't fire it, I just do that as an extra precaution when I reload.

I don't neck size, but the neck gets sized by the expander, and then the neck gets proper size from the die. I just bump the shoulder (FL sizing), but the neck needs to fit and be within length even if it's new brass. I ALWAYS check my loaded case in the case gauge also. I have seen cases that fit before you seat the bullet, and it doesn't fit in the gauge, or it's a tight fit. I pull those also, if I find them. And finally, crimping will sometimes prevent a case that passes the gauge to fail.

I know this may seem to be a redundant way of reloading, but so far I haven't blown off my face.

Some folks only reload 5 or 10 rounds a year and don't practice at all, but I try not to be one of them. In that regard, pulling a few bullets is no big deal for me. Once I find my load, I will most likely stick with it all year or even more. I've been using a 308 load for about 10 years.:rolleyes:
 
I predict that neck tension won't change.
Regardless of what interference you set the neck at, bullet seating expanded necks to cal, with spring back gripping.
So you pull a bullet, the neck springs back to ~1/2thou interference, now you seat another bullet into that interference.
It's exactly as it was before you pulled the bullet.
At least in my experience, I respectfully disagree. I pulled down 1500 new .308 mil rounds a couple years ago that I got from a contract cancelation. All were LC 14, 15, and 16. I measured every one to determine neck tension and sholder bump. Not one passed spec. All required full length resize and neck tension reset. I used a full length die with neck bushing to do the job. 90% also required trimming. And lets not forget removing the mil crimping. I ended up with 1425 usuable cases due to some having neck cracks and body denting. After the math, I spent about 29 cents per case. The bullets and powder had already been removed by the contractor. Every case required removal of sealent and some powder stuck in the sealent. The primers were to be considered unservicable. Having said all this, not sure I would go through it all again. Very time consuming. And that sealent was a real bear to remove, even using various solvents.
 
At least in my experience, I respectfully disagree. I pulled down 1500 new .308 mil rounds a couple years ago that I got from a contract cancelation. All were LC 14, 15, and 16.

I don't know about your LC brass, but I've been reloading and shooting LC 308 Match brass for years. I bought a bunch of it from a gunsmith I know. I think those cases are harder than Lapua, by far. I don't have an annealer, so broke a press handle trying to resize...

I was trying to resize a 308 case into 8.6 blackout. The Hornady 6.5CM cases resize just fine, but are not near as tough as those LC 308 Match cases. Are those the cases you're reloading? I think the cases I have came from Camp Perry, but not 100% sure.

To RCBS's credit, it was a Summit 2000 press that I've used for 15+ years, and they sent me a replacement handle for free. I didn't expect that, but they didn't have the original handle for sale, only the short one. I use a roller lever handle on it, so no worries...impressive support considering I bought the press used for $100... :rolleyes:
 
Question for you guys, when doing load development and finding pressure, say you work up 6 increasing powder charges and find pressure on the 4th charge. How do you treat the last 2 unfired cases? I know I can pull the bullet and just dump the powder back in my keg, but do I need to resize the brass before using again? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes but I haven't run across this yet in reloading as I just started.

Appreciate it fellas.
I have used cheap 223 factory shells and pulled the full metal jacket bullet and reseated an hornady v max in it they shoot really good for what I use it for. Actually they shoot better than I expected for an automatic rifle and never had a problem with bullet movement. Maybe in a bigger case I don't know. David
 
I predict that neck tension won't change.
Regardless of what interference you set the neck at, bullet seating expanded necks to cal, with spring back gripping.
So you pull a bullet, the neck springs back to ~1/2thou interference, now you seat another bullet into that interference.
It's exactly as it was before you pulled the bullet.

I'm gonna agree with this.

It seems to have less affect if you're running lighter neck tension vs heavy.

I watched Doug Skogman pull bullets, reseat a different bullet, and win the Europeans National Championship.
 
I don't know about your LC brass, but I've been reloading and shooting LC 308 Match brass for years. I bought a bunch of it from a gunsmith I know. I think those cases are harder than Lapua, by far. I don't have an annealer, so broke a press handle trying to resize...

I was trying to resize a 308 case into 8.6 blackout. The Hornady 6.5CM cases resize just fine, but are not near as tough as those LC 308 Match cases. Are those the cases you're reloading? I think the cases I have came from Camp Perry, but not 100% sure.

To RCBS's credit, it was a Summit 2000 press that I've used for 15+ years, and they sent me a replacement handle for free. I didn't expect that, but they didn't have the original handle for sale, only the short one. I use a roller lever handle on it, so no worries...impressive support considering I bought the press used for $100... :rolleyes:
I anneal and full length size with bushing EVERY time. No exceptions. I measure the sholder bump and case mouth tension of every case and trim as required. I prep all my cases the same way. I always start from the same starting point. This is my way of controlling variations and ensuring consistency as much as I can. Is it time consuming and sometimes a PITA, yes. But I never need be concerned about my cases or where I start from.
 
I anneal and full length size with bushing EVERY time. No exceptions. I measure the sholder bump and case mouth tension of every case and trim as required. I prep all my cases the same way. I always start from the same starting point. This is my way of controlling variations and ensuring consistency as much as I can. Is it time consuming and sometimes a PITA, yes. But I never need be concerned about my cases or where I start from.
The problem I have if I don't run them through the resizer is the neck is often tight in the chamber. I don't know for certain, but have always concluded that the case expands to the chamber when it is fired, and it makes sense that the neck is going to be tight, as normally it has space so that it chambers properly. I have just always run them through the process to get them to fit.
 
The problem I have if I don't run them through the resizer is the neck is often tight in the chamber. I don't know for certain, but have always concluded that the case expands to the chamber when it is fired, and it makes sense that the neck is going to be tight, as normally it has space so that it chambers properly. I have just always run them through the process to get them to fit.
Are you also checking case length? They will stretch out after firing requiring trimming. The entire case will expand to fill the chamber. Brass will do that. Annealing the case neck will help make it softer allowing it to be resized without cracking. It reduces work hardening. But you may lose a few cases after a few firings. That's just the way it is. If you will be reloading your cases, annealing is a required step at some point to increase brass life. Also, make sure your brass has been cleaned good before reusing them. Inspect each for defects.
 
I predict that neck tension won't change.
Regardless of what interference you set the neck at, bullet seating expanded necks to cal, with spring back gripping.
So you pull a bullet, the neck springs back to ~1/2thou interference, now you seat another bullet into that interference.
It's exactly as it was before you pulled the bullet.

I used to think like you but in fact does change neck tension. I have had bullets that barely had any tension where you could pull the bullets by hand or just spin them in the case. This is across many cartridges and brass makers. I resize every time I pull a bullet.

Yes, you do want to resize if you care about accuracy and consistency. If you will just use them as fouling rounds, then have at it.
 
Your last neck sizing is bullet seating. Every time.
This normalizes tension to mere spring back force per area applied.

You could size a neck down 10thou under cal, and another 1thou under cal, seat bullets, pull bullets, and both necks will spring back to the same ~1/2thou under cal. The force behind that spring back is what grips .xxx area of bullet bearing.
This force varies with brass hardness, which is a condition that does not have to be refreshed.
The harder the brass, the stronger the spring back force.

As far as bullet pull force, this is barely related to tension, and mostly friction.
Replacing a bullet may upset prior friction, but this makes no difference to internal ballistics (your chrono).
 
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