Disappointed with the Berger 156 grain EOL

[Lenny Foffa]

I'm the odd ball 270win shooter who uses only 130grn Nosler Ballistic tips on whitetail . Love the results ! At about 3050 FPS they are Explosive inside heart lung area , never an exit hole ,several one shot kills ,no tracking !!!! Perfectly satisfied with the performance of that 130 Grn bullet ,on whitetail deer !! You may want to consider trying a ballistic tip on deer !! Just my personal opinion!

 

[colfaxent]

I run the 156gr bergers in 2 of my rifles and it's the deadliest bullet I've ever shot. Haven't had an animal take a step yet - small whitetail does 90 yards to 250 yards, 200lb+ whitetails, 250lb boars, coyotes. I'm running them 3,125-3,175 fps though, that's my immediate reaction of the difference between our 2 experiences.

I switched from the Nosler Accubond because it wasn't doing enough damage to the critters I was shooting and just zipping through. I would get an exit with the Accubonds and a blood trail, but it seemed like the energy in the body cavity left a lot to be desired.

I have a 6.5 SAUM that I'm running the 140gr elite hunters in, about the same speeds - 3,160 fps. They have proven to be very deadly as well. You may want to try those?

For what it's worth, I'm aiming right in the middle of the shoulder of all of these animals - not behind the crease of the front leg. If you put a berger bullet up the leg, in the middle of the body (assuming a broadside angle) it should bang flop them almost everytime.

Are you aiming at the shoulder with the Accubonds also and getting complete pass thru with not much internal damage ?

 

[Creedmoorcarl]

I shot a buck at 130 yards with my 6.5 PRC using Berger 156 grains EOL. I hit him right behind the shoulder. The buck ran about 50 yards with no blood. There was no exit wound. My Son and Grandsons have shot whitetail and axis with no exit wounds. Kind of disappointed with this bullet. My loads were going about 2860 fps and no exit wounds on that buck I shot. Looking for some advice as to what would be a good bullet to use that would have good exit wounds, thanks in advance

Ive had excellent results from Hornady 143 gr ELDX ..small entry,great exit hole and jello in-between ,also i will always go for high shoulder hit if at all possible ,animal drops instantly

 

[Mike D Texas]

To do that though would produce such a compromise in the end It would end up probably being less suitable for either purpose.

Long range Hybrid and VLD type bullets are just such a completely different animal I don't think anyone is going to be able to give them the same properties as a bullet like the Partition that all but guarantees to penetrate the toughest of critters and still retain close to 50% of it's original mass.

I still think Hornady really blew it not using the same bonding tech of the Interbond in producing their ELD-X.

I don't think replacing the exposed lead tip with a ballistic tip would upset the function of the partition.

Surely with the technology today someone can designed a partitioned style bullet with a better tip and better BC.

 

[pony doctor]

What did the inside look like when you dressed it? You said he went 50 yds. was he dead when you got to him? Just curious.

Sounds like to me the bullet did just what it was supposed to do! Deer shot with a 1.5 inch broadhead normally exit snd the animal typically goes 100 plus yards or more. Bullets fragment and transfer all the " energy" to the vitals!

 

[Raudy707]

This is such an antiquated myth I can't believe how many people still believe this. Go read the volumes of literature disproving this old energy dump bs.

 

[FEENIX]

I don't think replacing the exposed lead tip with a ballistic tip would upset the function of the partition.

Surely with the technology today someone can designed a partitioned style bullet with a better tip and better BC.

You are correct, Sir! Even the monolithic bullets manufacturers such as Barnes, Nosler, Maker, CBB, etc., have taken advantage of the tipped bullet technology. I suspect other monolithic bullets that do not currently have it will do the same.

 

[cornshank]

I'm the odd ball 270win shooter who uses only 130grn Nosler Ballistic tips on whitetail . Love the results ! At about 3050 FPS they are Explosive inside heart lung area , never an exit hole ,several one shot kills ,no tracking !!!! Perfectly satisfied with the performance of that 130 Grn bullet ,on whitetail deer !! You may want to consider trying a ballistic tip on deer !! Just my personal opinion!

Your not alone at all I like ballistic tips also , and have had great success on elk with them.
I asked the elk in the freezer , if he liked ballistic tips ?
He said definitely not!
I said to him ,see you at dinner.

 

[WildRose]

I don't think replacing the exposed lead tip with a ballistic tip would upset the function of the partition.

Surely with the technology today someone can designed a partitioned style bullet with a better tip and better BC.

The tip won't make any real difference in the BC, they'd have to redesign it as a longer and sleeker bullet and probably add a boat tail to significantly affect BC.

Then you get into the issue of redesigning the jacket to ensure good expansion at low velocity.

Doing all that and still having a bullet guaranteed to penetrate deeply in even the toughest and most dangerous of game with a cup and core bullet is a challenge to say the least.

There would have to be so many compromises I just don't think you'd end up with a bullet suitable for either purpose any longer.

 

[Mike D Texas]

I have no experience with the bergers, I mostly use nosler and Sierra with great results. Why are people so crazy about getting exit wounds? In my experience when a bullet doesn't exit and transfers all energy into the animal, it is 9 out 10 times DRT. Yes I understand you get better blood trails with exit but who needs blood trail if it drops where it stands.

That's great is it drops in sight.

C'mon down to South Texas brush country and try to recover an animal in the brush that doesn't drop. You'll look a lot like this guy when you come out of the cactus and such.

It everyone hunts where you can see hundreds of yards in every direction.

 

[cornshank]

The tip won't make any real difference in the BC, they'd have to redesign it as a longer and sleeker bullet and probably add a boat tail to significantly affect BC.

Then you get into the issue of redesigning the jacket to ensure good expansion at low velocity.

Doing all that and still having a bullet guaranteed to penetrate deeply in even the toughest and most dangerous of game with a cup and core bullet is a challenge to say the least.

There would have to be so many compromises I just don't think you'd end up with a bullet suitable for

 

[WildRose]

Whatever text you were trying to add in reply didn't make it.

 

[Mike D Texas]

This is such an antiquated myth I can't believe how many people still believe this. Go read the volumes of literature disproving this old energy dump bs.

Amazing isn't it?

 

[Mike D Texas]

The tip won't make any real difference in the BC, they'd have to redesign it as a longer and sleeker bullet and probably add a boat tail to significantly affect BC.

Then you get into the issue of redesigning the jacket to ensure good expansion at low velocity.

Doing all that and still having a bullet guaranteed to penetrate deeply in even the toughest and most dangerous of game with a cup and core bullet is a challenge to say the least.

There would have to be so many compromises I just don't think you'd end up with a bullet suitable for either purpose any longer.

Maybe not on the BC but it will sure help tip deformation.

I'm no ballistician but I can't see it being that difficult to make a bullet like I mentioned. Taper the jacket to get thicker toward the rear to control expansion and the the solid copper partition should help drive through the animal. In my head I cannot see a downside to a design like this.