As I stated earlier in this thread, 30 shots on one peice of paper or cardboard with multiple bullseye so each shot is visible. Chery picked groups don't count.
Custom actions, are they worth it?
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As I stated earlier in this thread, 30 shots on one peice of paper or cardboard with multiple bullseye so each shot is visible. Chery picked groups don't count.
This is exactly what I am getting at. And this is with f open setup, nobody is doing this with a hunting rife.
GSRetrievers
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Also, 30 rounds is putting the shooter heavily into the equation while we are discussing gained precision of a custom receiver. So rifle being capable is a totally different discussion than shooter being capable to hold it together over 30 rounds fired in a single sitting.
Sorry, I missed all your stipulations it takes to prove a gun is a .1, .2 or .3. I'm an ok shooter but you are asking for the shooters godly skill, not the rifles potential.
Sorry, I missed all your stipulations it takes to prove a gun is a .1, .2 or .3. I'm an ok shooter but you are asking for the shooters godly skill, not the rifles potential.
PNWdude67
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Because shooting 30 rounds at 100 yards is stupid boring. Why do it? Here's a 30 round challenge for you. Come to my range in Bend Oregon with your most accurate gun. Shoot two shots at at 15 different 1 MOA targets all at different ranges and azimuth … how many impacts out of 30 will you get?
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GSRetrievers
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I was just typing pretty much that same thing!
There was a guy earlier in this thread that has a 28nosler that he said "consistently groups .3 and sometimes .2" he should have no problem right?
Justice offer you an opportunity to shoot their rifles and be able to do the groups or they would shoot the groups. If you flew to him and if he wasn't able to provide the group he would pay for your flight and offered for you to stay in his house. You decided to add kids. So don't get ****y when you add things to what has been offered and it gets called out
Do it 1 time and you will find out your true dispersion.
Could you show me where I have said anything about being a good shooter?
I gladly accepted his offer and added my kids kids sporting events are about my only obligations to get in the way of scheduling. I have not "added" anything or moved the "goal post".
Wasskeet, those same Benchrest shooters agging .247 could take their hunting rifles and make them shoot amazingly. The guy that will agg .247 will shoot some low 1's, perhaps a zero, then get caught by a wind change.
Knowing how to tune the load to the barrel harmonics is where the Keys to the Kingdom lie.
Having a wind flag out 15 yards in front of the bench where you are shooting, takes your shooting to a whole new level with highly tuned hunting rifles, custom or factory. Wind watching, left, right, straight at you or in your face. Catch the switches and cut your groups in half, when I learned this in 1985, my load development took much less time. Shooting a ladder gave me much more definitive information. The wind flag was a 1/2" x 30" piece of red yarn stapled on the top of a 1"x2" that was 30" long, sharpened on one end.
Eric Cortina makes a Tuner that can be installed right behind the can, independent of the can. This tuner looks like a sleeve with numbers etched on it. The addition of a Tuner on your barrel will take your accuracy to levels that you would have never thought possible, factory and custom barrels. I work up my best load with the tuner screwed to the rear. After I find my best load, and it will be shooting tiny groups at that point, then I start moving the tuner in 2 notch intervals(fine-tuned later, if necessary). Usually, by the time I get to the number 6, the bullets are going in the same hole. What I thought was a great group, not has become remarkable. The key is to verify in 3 to 6 Three-shot groups in a row, verified on subsequent days. I do not make the process any more complicated than that.
We started putting large weights on the outside of our barrels in the 80s when shooting incredible numbers of p. dogs, rock chucks, and jackrabbits. The large weights, 2"x4" in dia, were supposed to stop the muzzle climb, at that time, few of us were aware of muzzle breaks. The sweet surprise that the weight on the barrel tuned the barrel with little effort, was a Bonus. A friend hunting with me invented and patented the Browning Boss based on the concept.
Knowing how to tune the load to the barrel harmonics is where the Keys to the Kingdom lie.
Having a wind flag out 15 yards in front of the bench where you are shooting, takes your shooting to a whole new level with highly tuned hunting rifles, custom or factory. Wind watching, left, right, straight at you or in your face. Catch the switches and cut your groups in half, when I learned this in 1985, my load development took much less time. Shooting a ladder gave me much more definitive information. The wind flag was a 1/2" x 30" piece of red yarn stapled on the top of a 1"x2" that was 30" long, sharpened on one end.
Eric Cortina makes a Tuner that can be installed right behind the can, independent of the can. This tuner looks like a sleeve with numbers etched on it. The addition of a Tuner on your barrel will take your accuracy to levels that you would have never thought possible, factory and custom barrels. I work up my best load with the tuner screwed to the rear. After I find my best load, and it will be shooting tiny groups at that point, then I start moving the tuner in 2 notch intervals(fine-tuned later, if necessary). Usually, by the time I get to the number 6, the bullets are going in the same hole. What I thought was a great group, not has become remarkable. The key is to verify in 3 to 6 Three-shot groups in a row, verified on subsequent days. I do not make the process any more complicated than that.
We started putting large weights on the outside of our barrels in the 80s when shooting incredible numbers of p. dogs, rock chucks, and jackrabbits. The large weights, 2"x4" in dia, were supposed to stop the muzzle climb, at that time, few of us were aware of muzzle breaks. The sweet surprise that the weight on the barrel tuned the barrel with little effort, was a Bonus. A friend hunting with me invented and patented the Browning Boss based on the concept.
KyCarl
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Why is there such a market for custom actions? If they are no better than factory actions that seems rather dumb!
But they are better......and people know it
But they are better......and people know it
Only two we have purchased (Defiance Anti) were cheaper than I could buy a stainless 700 action and have it trued up. I think no doubt they are more precise. Yet, if I could get a 700 Stainless ready to use for less I would go that way.
