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Calling for Change: Respect and Truth in Hunting Discussions

I think I get your point. I try to work/write in the manner you describe. One thing I have tried to be more cognizant of is what are the things I have proven out vs what am I still trying to prove out to myself. I find after thinking this through, I'm pulling back on sharing things I'm still processing. I think if we all do that, we will see less wrong promoted.

It is also important to kind of self edit anything I am saying that is not statistically valid. I get tired of 3 trains of thought…1) I don't shoot groups; 2) A hunting rifle only needs 3 shots to pick a best load; 3) This 3 shot group had an ES of 10. It must be a best load. I look at this as if someone came to me at work and said, "we did a thing, once, 3 times, 10 times…..can I get $100k to do this permanent install?" If we are talking about boiling water, sure, but….something new….nah


I'd be interested in your 2. I like a channel named SimpleMindedFella. I find the method interesting.


This is the emotional side of the argument. It is key to listen to folks but also have a mechanism to identify those who are wrong. Sure it can hurt feelings to be wrong, but I recognize that I am wrong and need that pointed out sometimes. It is the only way to move forward.


Yea. I like your posts a lot. Would love to see where your experience disagrees with posted opinion or even posted facts. I think we all learned that facts are not always truth. It is just a method of making a statement.
With regards to youtube, its a profit based business. The vast majority of the guys your watching are basically paid advertisers. They are not successful competitors or professional gunsmiths. They are great for basic overviews on products and general processes. Forums are a much better source of quality info. You have to have a little sense to know who to listen to though. A forum allows people to disagree Youtube does not. You can just delete the posts that challenge you.
 
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This is the emotional side of the argument. It is key to listen to folks but also have a mechanism to identify those who are wrong. Sure it can hurt feelings to be wrong, but I recognize that I am wrong and need that pointed out sometimes. It is the only way to move forward.

I agree. I have always supported being told I'm wrong if I am, as should anyone. I do not like knowingly putting out wrong or bad information. It's actually embarrassing.

There should be supporting evidence and arguments to back up how and why the person is wrong though, if there's to be any chance or hope that they accept that they're wrong any to have any sort of willingness to change their mind and now adapt to the real truth. You can't just tell someone they're wrong and/or tell them to just trust or believe you and expect them to. Most will not be convinced that easily, and like I said, we can't expect people to be either.

It's good to challenge those that question you to an extent. You don't want to be easily manipulated and you should believe in what you say. If you don't believe in it, you shouldn't be saying it from the start. Just because you believe it though, doesn't necessarily make it true or fact. This is why the person doing the correcting needs to provide the supporting information and evidence to back it up if there's any chance the other guy will see their error, accept it, and change their mind and what they then say moving forward.

Of course, some people won't accept it no matter what, but in that case, we disengage with them and move on with life if we want to remain happy and keep our sanity.
 
Something I meant to add to this writeup, but forgot, as I missed it in my drafts I had between my phone and computer as I worked on it, is a bit on "Primacy Effect". It definitely ties in well to how we perceive the truth initially. It's also hugely outside of just social media too and we see it with mainstream media everyday.


The Primacy Effect

The primacy effect is a psychological phenomenon where people tend to remember, prioritize, or give more weight to the first piece of information they receive over information they encounter later. It's particularly influential in forming opinions, judgments, or decisions.

How the Primacy Effect Works:
  • When we hear or see something for the first time, our brains treat it as foundational information. It becomes a reference point for evaluating everything that follows.

  • If conflicting information arises later, it has a harder time overturning that initial impression because the first piece of information is often seen as more credible or trustworthy.

Real-Life Examples:

1. News and Media: When people hear a claim from the first news source they encounter, they're more likely to believe it—even if corrected information emerges later.

2. Interpersonal Relationships: First impressions often dominate how people view someone, even if later behavior contradicts that initial impression.

3. Marketing: Brands aim to make a strong first impression because the primacy effect means customers are likely to associate their first experience with the brand's overall quality.


The primacy effect explains the saying "the first lie often becomes the truth." People naturally latch onto the first narrative they hear and, due to cognitive biases, are less likely to critically evaluate or accept contradicting evidence later. That's why misinformation, especially when it's the first to spread, can be so powerful—it takes advantage of our tendency to trust the first story.
 
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