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Calling for Change: Respect and Truth in Hunting Discussions
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Hard rock
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Say something about a Berger bullet good or bad and your point will be proved even further by you know who
You are just doing the same thing you alway do as usual, I guess some things will never change, now with that being said I was a Hammer "Fan Boy" and at that time they had the best mono on the market IMO but things change and once again IMO that is no longer the case and I have moved on.
Maybe you should look inward as well
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ExactlySay something about a Berger bullet good or bad and your point will be proved even further by you know who
dfanonymous
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Which is?
I am new to this place having spent most of my time in the YouTube & Facebook platforms and trying to gain more knowledge in the "long range" hunting and shooting.
I have found much of what you are describing as "pitfalls". I search in YouTube channels such as: long range shooting, hunting, bullets, calibers etc and there is a plethora of channels to consume days. What I'm finding is most comments in their videos can never be kind. I find it almost aggravating to decipher "truth" if there is amongst them. I follow two specific channels that fight about bullets. I can't figure out whom to trust. I asked a question about performance compared to generic Berger type bullets and realized to not do that again.
I have also realized never to ask "what is the best" and never say I have Creedmoor.
I hope this site continues to offer a platform where it's okay to talk about differences without taking offense.
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Yes, it's both fortunate and unfortunate to have so much information at our fingertips. The pitfall is figuring out what's factual and good information versus misinformation.
So many want their opinion not only heard, but agreed with. Many don't see it as their opinion either- they see it as their truth. They want to hear their opinion come from you (or whoever it is in question). So starts the arguing.
Someone has to be the bigger person though and not feed into it and shut it down. That tends to be the tricky part.
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Alex Wheeler
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Never heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect before but thats a big one on the ole youtubes for sure. When you do it everyday day its easy to spot guys that have no business teaching others. But it works.
I see it all over the place, unfortunately.
And here I thought the internet was "Pure True". It's going to take me awhile to get over this.
Seriously though, there is definitely a lot of fact and truth in the ops post. I'm not a bandwagon guy. I tell my son every day that the internet is just a tool. Everyone on it can portray themselves as some sort of expert. The trick is to have the knowledge base and common sense to sift through the information and determine what is valuable and usable vs plain old horse hockey. Plus have the wisdom to not let emotions cause you to jump to conclusions. Don't just jump on the bandwagon because so and so says it's so. Do your own research. So and so just may have an agenda.
You tube can offer a process to work on and fix just about anything. But, we have to have the mechanical aptitude to understand when that process is sound or that we better search on for better information. It can be a great tool for learning if used correctly. Today we have the tools and the highest capacity for learning that this old world has ever seen. Yet I believe common sense and intelligence just might be at an all time low.
I know we are talking about forums, ethics, and internet tactics. . If we step back and think about it no group in this country has used the tactics the OP mentioned against us more than our very own media. These tactics work and the sheep just blindly follow along. They don't know if it's true and don't want to know. It fits into their way of thinking or emotional urges. So they take it as so and regurgitate it as the gospel and the snowball just gets bigger and bigger.
I'm not smart enough to make a good, eloquent, logical, statement here but i get the concept.
Seriously though, there is definitely a lot of fact and truth in the ops post. I'm not a bandwagon guy. I tell my son every day that the internet is just a tool. Everyone on it can portray themselves as some sort of expert. The trick is to have the knowledge base and common sense to sift through the information and determine what is valuable and usable vs plain old horse hockey. Plus have the wisdom to not let emotions cause you to jump to conclusions. Don't just jump on the bandwagon because so and so says it's so. Do your own research. So and so just may have an agenda.
You tube can offer a process to work on and fix just about anything. But, we have to have the mechanical aptitude to understand when that process is sound or that we better search on for better information. It can be a great tool for learning if used correctly. Today we have the tools and the highest capacity for learning that this old world has ever seen. Yet I believe common sense and intelligence just might be at an all time low.
I know we are talking about forums, ethics, and internet tactics. . If we step back and think about it no group in this country has used the tactics the OP mentioned against us more than our very own media. These tactics work and the sheep just blindly follow along. They don't know if it's true and don't want to know. It fits into their way of thinking or emotional urges. So they take it as so and regurgitate it as the gospel and the snowball just gets bigger and bigger.
I'm not smart enough to make a good, eloquent, logical, statement here but i get the concept.
Yep! Sadly, you and I know the military is no exception.
Fortunately, the necessary change is coming. HELLYEAH!
nksmfamjp
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I think I get your point. I try to work/write in the manner you describe. One thing I have tried to be more cognizant of is what are the things I have proven out vs what am I still trying to prove out to myself. I find after thinking this through, I'm pulling back on sharing things I'm still processing. I think if we all do that, we will see less wrong promoted.
It is also important to kind of self edit anything I am saying that is not statistically valid. I get tired of 3 trains of thought…1) I don't shoot groups; 2) A hunting rifle only needs 3 shots to pick a best load; 3) This 3 shot group had an ES of 10. It must be a best load. I look at this as if someone came to me at work and said, "we did a thing, once, 3 times, 10 times…..can I get $100k to do this permanent install?" If we are talking about boiling water, sure, but….something new….nah
I'd be interested in your 2. I like a channel named SimpleMindedFella. I find the method interesting.
This is the emotional side of the argument. It is key to listen to folks but also have a mechanism to identify those who are wrong. Sure it can hurt feelings to be wrong, but I recognize that I am wrong and need that pointed out sometimes. It is the only way to move forward.
Yea. I like your posts a lot. Would love to see where your experience disagrees with posted opinion or even posted facts. I think we all learned that facts are not always truth. It is just a method of making a statement.
