A bumpstock is not a firearm - That is why I am defending them despite not owning one as well. If they can get away with regulating/outlawing a component whats next? Regulation of spare barrels? Optics?
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A bumpstock is not a firearm - That is why I am defending them despite not owning one as well. If they can get away with regulating/outlawing a component whats next? Regulation of spare barrels? Optics?
Orange Dust
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I wanted this to die but it won't. So I ask when it comes to our rights, when did the definition of compromise become defined as us giving up a right we already have vs giving up more of what we already have, only for them to come back over and over taking a little each time? Where is the line in the sand with this? Appears to be a moving target to me.
MudRunner2005
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Yep, that target was set in motion in 1934...With the implementation of the treasonous National Firearms Act, simply to keep the moonshiners from having equal guns to the Feds, and suppressors. That way the G-Men had the advantage with Thompsons and BAR's, but you're stuck with inferior firepower. That was the day everything changed, and our grandparents and great grandparents started slowly allowing Big Brother to take our rights.
Holy Moly. Now I understand. I have it all wrong. You constitutional scholars will have it all right. And you'll be able to demonstrate how right you are when bumpstocks again become the legal equivalent of bubble gum.
'Allowed, 'RIGHT', communist', socialist' - more gibberish.
jbs2014,
Employ the powers endowed in your Constitutional Republic. Provide the citation in our US Constitution that guarantees the citizenry the RIGHT to own brass knuckles or bumpstocks. If that were true, they'd be legal. If that were true, the NRA might be interested. After you enlighten the members here with scholarly knowledge and citations, then go enlighten the NRA. Tell them you're an expert in Constitutional Republics and your Constitutional RIGHTS.
When that fails to pursuade them and the majority of their membership, use the Nuclear Option. Tell the NRA MudRunner2005 has an opinion that's so important to him, that no more evaluation should be necessary. They must now bow in strict subservience and obedience.
When that fails, recognize our country operates differently than the Constitutional Republic, as you understand and define it. After coming to the realization that legal bumpstocks are forever gone, and that neither bumpstocks nor brass knuckles are defined as an "arm" we have any right to bear under the 2nd Amendment, buy a box of hankies. Use as many as necessary. There's no closed season and no bag limit on hankies. Spread the Holiday cheer and pass the remainder to others that subscribe to your Constitution Republic, especially the minority with the "loss of bumpstock" blues. Because you know they feel your pain.
I feel the pain too. HAHAHAHA... that was a Mud joke.
'Allowed, 'RIGHT', communist', socialist' - more gibberish.
jbs2014,
Employ the powers endowed in your Constitutional Republic. Provide the citation in our US Constitution that guarantees the citizenry the RIGHT to own brass knuckles or bumpstocks. If that were true, they'd be legal. If that were true, the NRA might be interested. After you enlighten the members here with scholarly knowledge and citations, then go enlighten the NRA. Tell them you're an expert in Constitutional Republics and your Constitutional RIGHTS.
When that fails to pursuade them and the majority of their membership, use the Nuclear Option. Tell the NRA MudRunner2005 has an opinion that's so important to him, that no more evaluation should be necessary. They must now bow in strict subservience and obedience.
When that fails, recognize our country operates differently than the Constitutional Republic, as you understand and define it. After coming to the realization that legal bumpstocks are forever gone, and that neither bumpstocks nor brass knuckles are defined as an "arm" we have any right to bear under the 2nd Amendment, buy a box of hankies. Use as many as necessary. There's no closed season and no bag limit on hankies. Spread the Holiday cheer and pass the remainder to others that subscribe to your Constitution Republic, especially the minority with the "loss of bumpstock" blues. Because you know they feel your pain.
I feel the pain too. HAHAHAHA... that was a Mud joke.
No more " gibberish" than " common good" or "societal law"
So would you care to inform us what arms we have, or don't have, a right to bear?
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MudRunner2005
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You're still not grasping that we don't give a **** about the bumpstocks themselves. We don't even care if they get outlawed. They're janky pieces of novelty plastic, AT BEST! Most of us, myself included, have never owned one, and don't care to. If I want full-auto, I'll drop the cash for a real legal pre-ban transferrable. Simple as that.
But this whole thing is about how this whole circus was implemented, the wording and open-phrasing in it, and the precedent it sets for future presidents to do what they want on a whim by circumventing congress, and making up **** as they go along...Which is not how our system of government works. Oh, and the fact that they want to force citizens to turn over or destroy private property they legally purchased, without compensation, or risk going to prison.
Oh, and as for the right to have brass knuckles and bumpstocks. The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence says that every citizen has the rights to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. The 2 main ones are highlighted... Right to LIFE, means I have the right to defend myself and my family with whatever means necessary to maintain breathing air, if someone tries to harm me or them. The right to LIBERTY, means that I have the right to be free to do as I please, as I see fit, so long as I don't interfere with someone else's rights to life or liberty, or their pursuit of happiness. Pretty simple???
As for the right to own bumpstocks, I'm pretty sure the 2nd Amendment doesn't have any clauses that adds any exemptions to the adamantly written "The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". That pretty much means that anything goes. It doesn't have a **** thing to do with hunting. It was written not long after we had just got done fighting off a tyrannical government. And it was written to ensure that all future generations have the right to and ability to have enough arms, ammo, and any other types of weaponry to maintain security and liberty from any other form of tyrannical government, both foreign or domestic.
I'm honestly not seeing how this is not getting through...
But this whole thing is about how this whole circus was implemented, the wording and open-phrasing in it, and the precedent it sets for future presidents to do what they want on a whim by circumventing congress, and making up **** as they go along...Which is not how our system of government works. Oh, and the fact that they want to force citizens to turn over or destroy private property they legally purchased, without compensation, or risk going to prison.
Oh, and as for the right to have brass knuckles and bumpstocks. The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence says that every citizen has the rights to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. The 2 main ones are highlighted... Right to LIFE, means I have the right to defend myself and my family with whatever means necessary to maintain breathing air, if someone tries to harm me or them. The right to LIBERTY, means that I have the right to be free to do as I please, as I see fit, so long as I don't interfere with someone else's rights to life or liberty, or their pursuit of happiness. Pretty simple???
As for the right to own bumpstocks, I'm pretty sure the 2nd Amendment doesn't have any clauses that adds any exemptions to the adamantly written "The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". That pretty much means that anything goes. It doesn't have a **** thing to do with hunting. It was written not long after we had just got done fighting off a tyrannical government. And it was written to ensure that all future generations have the right to and ability to have enough arms, ammo, and any other types of weaponry to maintain security and liberty from any other form of tyrannical government, both foreign or domestic.
I'm honestly not seeing how this is not getting through...
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Riflehunter1776
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You're the one leading the charge based on Constitutional Republic expertise. And Constitutional RIGHTS. Copy/Paste from your post: "And it is specifically enumerated that that right shall not be infringed (like a ban on bump stocks does). So if one follows the Constitution then neither bump stocks or brass knuckles should be banned."
I don't have to be an expert to know the difference between an "arm" under the 2nd Amend and a bumpstock or brass knuckles. I asked you to provide the citation to backup your bold, confident, lofty claim "that right shall not be infringed (like a ban on bump stocks does)". Guess you couldn't deliver. No bumpstock in the 2nd Amend. Maybe you got upset, confused, and didn't really mean it that way...Yeah... I get it. More hanky time.
Yup. Turns out it was just gibberish.
You're the one leading the charge based on Constitutional Republic expertise. And Constitutional RIGHTS. Copy/Paste from your post: "And it is specifically enumerated that that right shall not be infringed (like a ban on bump stocks does). So if one follows the Constitution then neither bump stocks or brass knuckles should be banned."
I don't have to be an expert to know the difference between an "arm" under the 2nd Amend and a bumpstock or brass knuckles. I asked you to provide the citation to backup your bold, confident, lofty claim "that right shall not be infringed (like a ban on bump stocks does)". Guess you couldn't deliver. No bumpstock in the 2nd Amend. Maybe you got upset, confused, and didn't really mean it that way...Yeah... I get it. More hanky time.
Yup. Turns out it was just gibberish.
And I am still waiting on your expert legal opinion, or gibberish, on what arms we have or don't have a right to bear?
Please, we are all waiting, hankies in hand.
Riflehunter1776
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And "pursuit of happiness" was used interchangeably with the term "property"
https://www.gradesaver.com/second-treatise-of-government/study-guide/quotes
https://fee.org/articles/john-locke-natural-rights-to-life-liberty-and-property/
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry.php?543-Life-Liberty-and-Property-explained
I grasp the fact this thread is titled Bumpstocks banned. I know what the title implies. I came discuss bumpstocks. I grasp that you're now trying to divert the discussion to your own pet interest.
Your theory, knowledge, and opinion regarding your pet interest isn't getting through to me, because I don't share your pet interest. I'm not hostage to your interests. I'm discussing bumpstocks. You wanna recite the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, the 2nd Amendment, Constitutional Republics, impress yourself and have at it. When the time comes and bumpstocks are again as legal as bubble gum, you can tell me you got it all right.
When they never become legal as bubble gum, don't worry about telling me I got it right. I already know that.
Anyhow, insisting I follow your lead is another HAHAHAHA moment on you. Not only are your opinions holy, we now must also follow where you lead. I'll make my way without your lead.
MudRunner2005
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That means that the government is planning on violating our right to the pursuit of happiness. I hope someone tweets that to Trump to make sure just how many of our civil rights he is planning on violating by trying to appease the crack-head Dems and Diane Frankenstein.
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This thread got mean. I personally don't like the government telling me what to do. Constitution, no constitution, liberal, conservative. As long as I'm not harming anyone, leave me alone. Pretty simple, but a lot of Americans think they have the "correct answer" and want to push their views on the others. Should the bump stock be banned? No. Should machine guns be illegal? No. Suppressors? No. But because other people think they know what's best for us, they are. If that isn't a travesty of justice, I don't know what is.
Riflehunter1776
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Collectivists don't believe in any of those natural rights (nor in their source of origin). To them, individual liberty is nothing but a roadblock for the common good on it's path to utopia, so they wont be happy until they take all rights, as per Marx, Lenin, Hobbes, etc.
Bumpstocks, AR-15s, Religious Liberty, whatever. It's all the same to them.
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