I don't think it's corrosion.
It's cold welding.
Take a look at the link I shared above.
Dissimilar metals - copper & brass
Very clean - New or well cleaned
Under pressure - neck tension
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It's cold welding.
Take a look at the link I shared above.
Dissimilar metals - copper & brass
Very clean - New or well cleaned
Under pressure - neck tension
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This is a great explanation of what is happening.
What Is Cold Welding?
Category: Processes
Posted: November 11, 2020
While welding is often associated hot orange sparks and molten metal, there are several welding processes that do not fit this visual. One of the most notable of these welding processes is cold welding. It has been used at the industrial level for nearly a century and has several advantages that other welding processes do not possess.
What is Cold Welding?
Cold welding is a solid-state welding process that requires little or no heat to join two or more metals together. Instead, the energy used to join the materials together comes in the form of pressure. During the cold welding process, no metal is liquified or even heated to a notable degree.
How Does Cold Welding Work?
The reason behind why cold welding can bond two metals together without heat is because of the removal of the oxide layers on the surfaces of the materials being joined.
Almost all metals in normal conditions have some type of oxide layer on them, even though it may not be visible to the naked eye. These metal oxides form a barrier that prevents the metal atoms on the materials from being pressed together and bonding with one another. However, once the oxide layer is removed, the metal atoms are able to join with one another with enough pressure.
To remove the oxide layer, various mechanical and chemical methods are used. Wire brushing, degreasing, and other techniques are used to ensure that the metals surface is free from oxides. The metals must also be somewhat ductile. Industrial machinery is then used to create the substantial amount of pressure needed to create the metallurgical bonds.
What is Cold Welding Used For?
One of the most popular instances of cold welding is when joining dissimilar metals. This is because when dissimilar metals are melted together, they do not join well. This can result in the metals not joining together, or can lead to weak welds or welds with cracks. Cold welding avoids this problem as it relies solely on the atomic bonds formed through free electrons.
Typically, cold welding is used to create butt or lap joints. Industries include aerospace, automotive, advanced fabrication applications, and laboratory experiments often use cold welding. It is also often used for joining wires together.
What Metals Can Be Cold Welded?
Since ductile materials are typically required, metals that are commonly cold welded include:
Metals that contain carbon are not able to be joined using cold welding.
What are the Advantages and Disadvantages of Cold Welding?
One of the biggest advantages of cold welding is that there is no heat affected zone. This reduces the risk of negative chemical and mechanical changes to the base material during the welding process. Another key advantage is the ability to join dissimilar metals, as mentioned above. Also, if cold welding is performed correctly it creates a weld at least as strong as the weakest parent material.
The primary disadvantage of using cold welding is that the materials must be extremely clean and oxide free to create a satisfactory weld. This can be difficult to do, and it can also be expensive and hard to implement in a high-volume scenario. Since at least one of the metals must be ductile, cold welding is also limited by what alloys can be joined together.
This is a great explanation of what is happening.
What Is Cold Welding?
Category: Processes
Posted: November 11, 2020
While welding is often associated hot orange sparks and molten metal, there are several welding processes that do not fit this visual. One of the most notable of these welding processes is cold welding. It has been used at the industrial level for nearly a century and has several advantages that other welding processes do not possess.
What is Cold Welding?
Cold welding is a solid-state welding process that requires little or no heat to join two or more metals together. Instead, the energy used to join the materials together comes in the form of pressure. During the cold welding process, no metal is liquified or even heated to a notable degree.
How Does Cold Welding Work?
The reason behind why cold welding can bond two metals together without heat is because of the removal of the oxide layers on the surfaces of the materials being joined.
Almost all metals in normal conditions have some type of oxide layer on them, even though it may not be visible to the naked eye. These metal oxides form a barrier that prevents the metal atoms on the materials from being pressed together and bonding with one another. However, once the oxide layer is removed, the metal atoms are able to join with one another with enough pressure.
To remove the oxide layer, various mechanical and chemical methods are used. Wire brushing, degreasing, and other techniques are used to ensure that the metals surface is free from oxides. The metals must also be somewhat ductile. Industrial machinery is then used to create the substantial amount of pressure needed to create the metallurgical bonds.
What is Cold Welding Used For?
One of the most popular instances of cold welding is when joining dissimilar metals. This is because when dissimilar metals are melted together, they do not join well. This can result in the metals not joining together, or can lead to weak welds or welds with cracks. Cold welding avoids this problem as it relies solely on the atomic bonds formed through free electrons.
Typically, cold welding is used to create butt or lap joints. Industries include aerospace, automotive, advanced fabrication applications, and laboratory experiments often use cold welding. It is also often used for joining wires together.
What Metals Can Be Cold Welded?
Since ductile materials are typically required, metals that are commonly cold welded include:
Metals that contain carbon are not able to be joined using cold welding.
What are the Advantages and Disadvantages of Cold Welding?
One of the biggest advantages of cold welding is that there is no heat affected zone. This reduces the risk of negative chemical and mechanical changes to the base material during the welding process. Another key advantage is the ability to join dissimilar metals, as mentioned above. Also, if cold welding is performed correctly it creates a weld at least as strong as the weakest parent material.
The primary disadvantage of using cold welding is that the materials must be extremely clean and oxide free to create a satisfactory weld. This can be difficult to do, and it can also be expensive and hard to implement in a high-volume scenario. Since at least one of the metals must be ductile, cold welding is also limited by what alloys can be joined together.
baldhunter
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I don't keep a lot of ammo on hand.I have plenty of brass, primers,powder and bullets.I just load up however much ammo I want to shoot or hunt with.That way I have fresh ammo for the range or hunting.It also helps me from using up my supply on loaded ammo.
Doom2
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Without a metallurgical analysis we can't entirely rule out that cold welding isn't happening. My only experience with it was with copper wiring and it was a demonstration. I have to admit I was not aware that alloys could be welded this way. I don't think it is happening because I don't believe that the amount of neck tension is sufficient to make it happen.
Based on what I have read about this issue it does seem most prevalent when wet tumbling with SS pins and when cleaning in an ultrasonic cleaner, both of which result in extremely clean brass. Cleaning with SS pin will definitely remove the oxide coating and ultrasonic can also. It also seems that dirty necks or lubed necks don't seem to suffer the problem.
As for new brass, freshly processed brass may not have had enough time to form an oxide coating but that's a bit of a guess. Hard to believe that Lapua brass would have this issue.
So what do we do? Guess I need to find some graphite!
Based on what I have read about this issue it does seem most prevalent when wet tumbling with SS pins and when cleaning in an ultrasonic cleaner, both of which result in extremely clean brass. Cleaning with SS pin will definitely remove the oxide coating and ultrasonic can also. It also seems that dirty necks or lubed necks don't seem to suffer the problem.
As for new brass, freshly processed brass may not have had enough time to form an oxide coating but that's a bit of a guess. Hard to believe that Lapua brass would have this issue.
So what do we do? Guess I need to find some graphite!
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I would contribute it to carboned necks. Brushing out inside necks isn't enough. I believe they need to be cleaned. If you're a high volume shooter pulling bullets wouldn't be needed. Think about what carbon bulid up does on your exhaust system or any other place on your engine where carbon is present...... it corrodes. Pitting, parts needed to be beaten apart. It really is a simple reason. Brass isn't exempt from this. Gunpowder residue.... nitric acid and sulfuric acid is in Nitrocellulose and Nitro glycerin has nitric acid.... need I say more ? Had a rifle years ago that was badly pitted. The guy who sold it to me said it was his grandfathers and he never took care of it. The out side was nice but the bore was badly pitted.
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