Bull Elk. Berger 195 EOL terminal performance video.

[257Tony]

No point in worrying about what might have happened IMO, he didn't run off, like that other Bull did, that tells me he couldn't. Second shot was a good choice, always keep shooting if they are standing.

 

[WeiserBucks]

No point in worrying about what might have happened IMO, he didn't run off, like that other Bull did, that tells me he couldn't. Second shot was a good choice, always keep shooting if they are standing.

I agree, kill em until they're dead.

 

[Huntnful]

No point in worrying about what might have happened IMO, he didn't run off, like that other Bull did, that tells me he couldn't. Second shot was a good choice, always keep shooting if they are standing.

That's a very valid point! The other bulls didn't actually run off though. They all just ran out of the timber and stood in the meadow, until I fired the second shot. That bull was clearly in no mood to be running anywhere though. I would have shot him within 3 seconds of the first shot if I had a decent angle lol. I'm a shooter . I definitely did want to wait for him to tip over, but also didn't want to shoot him directly in the *** with second shot hahaha.

 

[bigngreen]

I've kept the 195's in the ammo box till I'm breaching the 800-1000 yard mark, everything I've seen has been dead but I opened up enough elk that I'm happy letting them play on the longer shots. I've seen a couple hits very similar that absolutely dropped the elk in it's tracks the hit was so violent!!

 

[Citified]

I have never shot an elk, but it is sobering to see how they can take a hit like that and remain mobile. If I ever get a tag, I will be sure to pick the right bullet and not be under gunned. I don't know how folks can make a humane kill with smaller caliber rounds.

 

[7.62 Gunner]

Yeah that bulls reaction isn't ideal, it reminds me of my bull from last fall.
I shot him at 300 yards with a 220 berger lrht with a mv of 2975, hit him quartering away and the bullet went through the liver, both lungs, and lodged in his chest.
He trotted off 30 yards then just stood there looking around like nothing happened, I hit him again and eventually he tipped over.
He wasn't going anywhere but still it's amazing how long they can keep their feet.

I've used eldms on elk and wasn't really happy with how explosive they were, one thing I did notice though is it put them down hard and fast

 

[Willys]

Wish I could use something smaller on elk at 700+ but seen this too many times. 300 grain SMK or Berger is the least I'm comfortable with. Even then I've seen em still stand there just not run.

 

[WeiserBucks]

In my semi-professional amateur opinion, Berger 180 Hybrids are the best 7mm elk bullet I've ever used. Great expansion, good penetration and most 7mm cartridges can make good use of it.

 

[skipglo]

I mostly get pass throughs with the 195EOL from my 7mm norma mag improved. I'm moving them out just shy of 3100fps. That's only on deer and pronghorn however. I've never shot an elk with it.

Probably pass thru those large prairie Jack's pretty good too!

 

[Slick8]

This is my concern with bergers as well and ive killed a bunch of deer, hogs, 2 red hinds, 2 cow and 1 bull elk.

I've had a 150 pound wt buck take a 215 at 200 yards and not fall at the shot with no pass through. He ran about 30 yards and flopped but the key point is all that energy didn't knock him down at impact. Makes me think those energy numbers don't mean [what we think they do.

I killed a bull last year at 550 yards with an estimated impact velocity of 2550 from a 230. It dropped him in his tracks from a center shoulder shot. To my astonishment he got up several minutes later but was spread legged sorta braced up with head hanging down. He was dead and didn't know it.

I told the guide the second shot will be going 6 inches higher to shock the spine for good. The first shot didn't pass through the second did.

The pic below shows the first shot and second shot placement and the recovered bullet from the first shot which was on the off-side hide. The lungs were jellied and it's mind boggling how he got up after several minutes.

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[Huntnful]

This is my concern with bergers as well and ive killed a bunch of deer, hogs, 2 red hinds, 2 cow and 1 bull elk.

I've had a 150 pound wt buck take a 215 at 200 yards and not fall at the shot with no pass through. He ran about 30 yards and flopped but the key point is all that energy didn't knock him down at impact. Makes me think those energy numbers don't mean [what we think they do.

I killed a bull last year at 550 yards with an estimated impact velocity of 2550 from a 230. It dropped him in his tracks from a center shoulder shot. To my astonishment he got up several minutes later but was spread legged sorta braced up with head hanging down. He was dead and didn't know it.

I told the guide the second shot will be going 6 inches higher to shock the spine for good. The first shot didn't pass through the second did.

The pic below shows the first shot and second shot placement and the recovered bullet from the first shot which was on the off-side hide. The lungs were jellied and it's mind boggling how he got up after several minutes.

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That's a great terminal report!! Elk are just tough, that's all there is to it!

 

[Slick8]

The question or issue about not getting a pass through is a perplexing one.

I've read about many people shooting a bull with bonded and even solids not getting a pass through. It's comes down to their build IMO. A broadside shot passes through skin ribs tissue and ribs again before getting to the off-side skin. At this point its likely doubled in diameter and is shedding velocity quickly.

At the point of exit the thick and elastic nature of a bulls skin is tough to penetrate for a bullet imo.

 

[orkan]

I definitely shoot high shoulder these days. (which is pretty center mass vertically) Mostly with everything, regardless of bullet. It was REALLY hard to re-train my brain from a couple decades of slipping it low behind the shoulder. That has helped anchor things on the spot tremendously.


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[Slick8]

One thing to add and I wish I had pictures but you know how things go when it's dark and you're quartering an elk miles from the trail head.

Both shots left a fist size exit to the ribs but the second shot left a golf ball sized hole in the skin. Again, that's part if the thick elastic nature of thier skin.

I will add a pic of the shot just to brag a bit..