Brownells --- EXPLOSIVE !
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HuntingBronco
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PV via UPS. Left at point of delivery, no signature. Last week
They are updating the burn rate chart to an explosive rate chart ... Woke culture is redefining smokeless powder.
I receive aerosol spray paint in cans with no signature required. It is more explosive than smokeless powder.
Hugnot
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Smokeless powder is classifed as "EXPLOSIVE" when shipped by all the on-line dealers who I have ordered from - MidSouth, Midway, & Powder Valley. I carefully avoid FedEx because they insist that an adult human (over 18 YO) accept the "Explosive" parcel and the driver remains outside of my front door for less than 90 seconds after ringing bell then runs off. FedEx outlets in my location are limited to Walgrens, a drug store and Walgrens refuses to except "EXPLOSIVE" & hazardous materials. I guess they might have problems with placing your Varget powder next to Viagra.
Some time ago I read an FBI report that discussed the potential of dealing with pipe bombs that used commonly available smokeless powder. Smokeless powder will explode under certain conditions that usually, but not always, require confinement, such as being contained in a pipe bomb. Some horrific accidents have occured during the manufacturing of smokeless powder during extreme volume production demands like during wars. Not your usual sport shooting and reloading requirements. Real bad blasts have resulted in 20,000 pounds or more single base smokeless powder exploding during a certain production stage; buildings have been flattened within a 1/8 mile radius , dozens killed & windows broken up to 1/2 mile. In addition to nitrocellulose many powders contain nitroglycerin, a violent explosive subject to detonation upon shock. Warnings on certain powders include avoiding subjecting the powder to heat & shock. To my best knowledge, no extruded powders are made within the USA. My guess all this has contributed to regs that require your Varget (no NG) be ID'd as an "EXPLOSIVE". The nice UPS lady who delivers my powder does not have any problems with delivery of brown cardboard boxes labled, "EXPLOSIVE" and I get my hands on the powder within 1 hour with tracking info sent to me via email.
"The safest and most powerful low-order explosive is smokeless powder. These powders decompose at rates up to 1,000 meters per second and produce a propelling action that makes them suitable for use in ammunition. However, the slower burning rate of smokeless powder should not be underestimated. The explosive power of smokeless powder is extremely dangerous when confined to a small container. In addition, certain smokeless powders with a high-nitroglycerine concentration can be induced to detonate. On the other hand, high-order explosives do not need containment to demonstrate their explosive effects (Saferstein 1998). These materials detonate at rates from 1,000 to 8,500 meters per second, producing a shock wave with an outward rush of gases at supersonic speeds. This effect proves to be more destructive than the fragmented debris."
"DOT's enforcement authority DOT regulates the transportation of hazardous materials in commerce. The primary mission of the Federal Hazardous Materials Transportation Law is "to protect [the nation] against the risks to life, property, and the environment that are inherent in the transportation of hazardous material in…commerce." 49 U.S.C. § 5101. PHMSA promotes the safe and secure transportation of hazardous materials in commerce through the Hazardous Materials Regulations (HMR) found in 49 CFR Parts 171- 180. These include, among other things, verification of product classifications, explosives approvals, ensuring that packaging meets rigorous performance standards, certification that hazmat employees have received required training, and ensuring that hazard communications are adequately displayed and fully support the needs of emergency responders. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's (FMCSA) regulations regarding the transportation of hazardous materials are in 49 CFR Part 397 and include the attendance and surveillance of motor vehicles, routing, parking, and vehicle safety and maintenance. As specified under 18 U.S.C. § 845(a)(1), aspects of transportation that are regulated by DOT or the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that pertain to safety or security are not regulated by ATF"
Some time ago I read an FBI report that discussed the potential of dealing with pipe bombs that used commonly available smokeless powder. Smokeless powder will explode under certain conditions that usually, but not always, require confinement, such as being contained in a pipe bomb. Some horrific accidents have occured during the manufacturing of smokeless powder during extreme volume production demands like during wars. Not your usual sport shooting and reloading requirements. Real bad blasts have resulted in 20,000 pounds or more single base smokeless powder exploding during a certain production stage; buildings have been flattened within a 1/8 mile radius , dozens killed & windows broken up to 1/2 mile. In addition to nitrocellulose many powders contain nitroglycerin, a violent explosive subject to detonation upon shock. Warnings on certain powders include avoiding subjecting the powder to heat & shock. To my best knowledge, no extruded powders are made within the USA. My guess all this has contributed to regs that require your Varget (no NG) be ID'd as an "EXPLOSIVE". The nice UPS lady who delivers my powder does not have any problems with delivery of brown cardboard boxes labled, "EXPLOSIVE" and I get my hands on the powder within 1 hour with tracking info sent to me via email.
"The safest and most powerful low-order explosive is smokeless powder. These powders decompose at rates up to 1,000 meters per second and produce a propelling action that makes them suitable for use in ammunition. However, the slower burning rate of smokeless powder should not be underestimated. The explosive power of smokeless powder is extremely dangerous when confined to a small container. In addition, certain smokeless powders with a high-nitroglycerine concentration can be induced to detonate. On the other hand, high-order explosives do not need containment to demonstrate their explosive effects (Saferstein 1998). These materials detonate at rates from 1,000 to 8,500 meters per second, producing a shock wave with an outward rush of gases at supersonic speeds. This effect proves to be more destructive than the fragmented debris."
"DOT's enforcement authority DOT regulates the transportation of hazardous materials in commerce. The primary mission of the Federal Hazardous Materials Transportation Law is "to protect [the nation] against the risks to life, property, and the environment that are inherent in the transportation of hazardous material in…commerce." 49 U.S.C. § 5101. PHMSA promotes the safe and secure transportation of hazardous materials in commerce through the Hazardous Materials Regulations (HMR) found in 49 CFR Parts 171- 180. These include, among other things, verification of product classifications, explosives approvals, ensuring that packaging meets rigorous performance standards, certification that hazmat employees have received required training, and ensuring that hazard communications are adequately displayed and fully support the needs of emergency responders. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's (FMCSA) regulations regarding the transportation of hazardous materials are in 49 CFR Part 397 and include the attendance and surveillance of motor vehicles, routing, parking, and vehicle safety and maintenance. As specified under 18 U.S.C. § 845(a)(1), aspects of transportation that are regulated by DOT or the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that pertain to safety or security are not regulated by ATF"
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Kant Fix Stupid!!!!
I tried that & they told me because of the contents( powder) they could not hold it at one of their stores. This was 2 weeks ago in Az. They also said you can not change the shipping address on it unless you are the shipper!
Also a Midsouth requirement!
When OSHA and DOT converted to Global Dangeous Goods to be consistent with global descriptions, a lot of changes have been made that replaced former shipping placards and descriptions. Attached are couple of SDS's for Alliant and H4350. See sections 14 for transportation.
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shortgrass
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Just thank the 'powers to be',,,,, they love regulations! The more new regulations they can come up with to control the "ignorant" public, the better!
Sure as hell, got a "signature required" tag on the door....
WildRose
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Propellants are supposed to have that placard from what I can see.
HazMat DOT Label - 1.4 Explosives C1 | HCL Labels
Use this placard when transporting propellent explosive materials or other deflagrating explosive substances. The explosion effects are largely confined to the package and no projection fragments are expected. Call Today! Order Now!
www.hclco.com
It may be a matter of how the fed's define it or just simple confusion.
cohunt
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It used to be flamable-- bit I know dot just revised labeling so maybe they "redefined" it -- kinda like the atf is "redefining" things ?
So, I called Fed Ex since there is no way Im taking time off from work.
Here is how the conversation went:
Me: "Can you hold it at the local hub? I can pick it up as soon as you open."
Them: "Because of the hazardous nature of the shipment we cannot hold it at the hub."
Me: "How many attempts will they make?"
Them: "Three."
Me: "What happens after the third attempt?"
Them: "We hold it for 5 days."
Looks like I gotta wait until Thursday to pick up my powder!?
Here is how the conversation went:
Me: "Can you hold it at the local hub? I can pick it up as soon as you open."
Them: "Because of the hazardous nature of the shipment we cannot hold it at the hub."
Me: "How many attempts will they make?"
Them: "Three."
Me: "What happens after the third attempt?"
Them: "We hold it for 5 days."
Looks like I gotta wait until Thursday to pick up my powder!?
