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Ok, moving on….
 
Some of our very own social media hunter "influencers" are in fact some of huntings worst enemies. Some know it, but don't care, they're in it for the notoriety/monetary gain…if the sport is gone in a decade or two, due in some part to their actions today, it matters not to them.

I have not categorized mono shooters as the problem. I have said I disagree with posting the praises of a bullet being used to justify a lead ban…and equated it to the same principle of influencers posting their hunts online. I appreciate your sentiments.
I understand what you're saying, but I shoot them because they simply shoot so well for me and terminal performance is more than acceptable…based on my experience. To each their own as they say.
 
Back to the question of copper bullets, certainly they are not all created equal, as is true of lead bullets. If you're handloading these following bullets aren't an option either way but for the benefit of any factory ammo shooters watching this thread, I've heard back a terrible review of the Winchester/browning "copper impact" ammunition regarding terminal performance. I had high hopes for it actually, as it has a MASSIVE plastic tip covering a HUGE hollow point, so good expansion seemed assured. But of the exactly two people I know who have used
It in a 6.8 western (162 grain), both have been thoroughly displeased. One of them was able to hit his animal a second time in the spine/high shoulder which put it down swiftly, but the first shot was quartering towards and they ended up finding the projectile backwards in the animal, having tumbled once, and under the hide about halfway down the body on the same side as was quartering towards them. The bullet looked like it could have been loaded and shot again apart from the rifling marks. The tip was still attached and everything. Horrid performance.

The second one reported some thing similar. Took multiple shots to bring the animal down, which isn't uncommon, but the postmortem showed VERY little damage, as in FMJ type behaviour, in conjunction with erratic wound tracks as in no straight line penetration, but veering off wildly while still not opening up.

Unreliable. Do not use.
 
Back to the question of copper bullets, certainly they are not all created equal, as is true of lead bullets. If you're handloading these following bullets aren't an option either way but for the benefit of any factory ammo shooters watching this thread, I've heard back a terrible review of the Winchester/browning "copper impact" ammunition regarding terminal performance. I had high hopes for it actually, as it has a MASSIVE plastic tip covering a HUGE hollow point, so good expansion seemed assured. But of the exactly two people I know who have used
It in a 6.8 western (162 grain), both have been thoroughly displeased. One of them was able to hit his animal a second time in the spine/high shoulder which put it down swiftly, but the first shot was quartering towards and they ended up finding the projectile backwards in the animal, having tumbled once, and under the hide about halfway down the body on the same side as was quartering towards them. The bullet looked like it could have been loaded and shot again apart from the rifling marks. The tip was still attached and everything. Horrid performance.

The second one reported some thing similar. Took multiple shots to bring the animal down, which isn't uncommon, but the postmortem showed VERY little damage, as in FMJ type behaviour, in conjunction with erratic wound tracks as in no straight line penetration, but veering off wildly while still not opening up.

Unreliable. Do not use.
Copy that!
 
Barnes and hammer guy here. Both work good. But one has been far better than the other

I also have apex, and CE in stock, they are in my list of things to do.

As well as the bulldozers, 1&2.

Spend all your time makin money, spend all your money makin time. That leaves no time for spendin boolits.
 
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