Berger VLD pencil through Elk in Cold?

I'm not sure I agree. I know I'm not shooting the same bullets today I praised for over 20 years (Partitions).

I believe it's ok to switch if newer technology fixes the faults of your favorites. It doesn't mean I was wrong at the time.
 
I'm not sure I agree. I know I'm not shooting the same bullets today I praised for over 20 years (Partitions).

I believe it's ok to switch if newer technology fixes the faults of your favorites. It doesn't mean I was wrong at the time.
You know, if we want to be pedantic, there's always a way to frame something that will negate what someone else says.

I'm not talking about an 80 year old bullet, compared to todays bullets. (yes that's how old the partitions are) We aren't talking about 80 years. We're talking about 10 years. Really we're only talking about 1 year. Because until a very short while ago, I don't recall gunwerks saying anything negative about berger bullet performance. If you can find a source that says otherwise, I'd happily consider it.

I'm talking about bullet designs from berger that have not changed, and are still considered to be the apex of bullet design and performance by a huge number of people in the industry, which were designed within the last 15years (or newer)... compared to the ELD M/X and Atip, which are in some instances, barely a year or two old.

The berger designs that gunwerks praised, are still considered to have no equal by some. Where as what they are promoting now, is as "unproven" as bullets can be, because they are so new that hardly anyone actually has experience with them. It takes more than a couple seasons to compare bullets honestly.

Though it takes 5 minutes to form a new business relationship. It's not wrong, but the consumer should use their head a little bit. I have smacked more big game animals with a berger 7mm 180gr hybrid straight out of the box than anything else, and to date it has produced the most decisive kills of any bullet I've used in my life. It's going to take more than a couple years for me to find a replacement, and there's no guarantee that I will be able to.

Gunwerks is in a position to shoot many more animals per year for testing than I... but still, it's going to take more than 1 season I think.


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You know, if we want to be pedantic, there's always a way to frame something that will negate what someone else says.

I'm not talking about an 80 year old bullet, compared to todays bullets. (yes that's how old the partitions are) We aren't talking about 80 years. We're talking about 10 years. Really we're only talking about 1 year. Because until a very short while ago, I don't recall gunwerks saying anything negative about berger bullet performance. If you can find a source that says otherwise, I'd happily consider it.

I'm talking about bullet designs from berger that have not changed, and are still considered to be the apex of bullet design and performance by a huge number of people in the industry, which were designed within the last 15years (or newer)... compared to the ELD M/X and Atip, which are in some instances, barely a year or two old.

The berger designs that gunwerks praised, are still considered to have no equal by some. Where as what they are promoting now, is as "unproven" as bullets can be, because they are so new that hardly anyone actually has experience with them. It takes more than a couple seasons to compare bullets honestly.

Though it takes 5 minutes to form a new business relationship. It's not wrong, but the consumer should use their head a little bit. I have smacked more big game animals with a berger 7mm 180gr hybrid straight out of the box than anything else, and to date it has produced the most decisive kills of any bullet I've used in my life. It's going to take more than a couple years for me to find a replacement, and there's no guarantee that I will be able to.

Gunwerks is in a position to shoot many more animals per year for testing than I... but still, it's going to take more than 1 season I think.


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Sorry to trigger you.

Listen to the podcast. Two of the things that he mentions are not expanding or fragmenting. Two of the things that's kinda common knowledge about about Bergers and the reason I'll never shoot them.

This post is about either a bullet failure or a bad shot placement. I was just trying to add info.
 
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Sorry to trigger you.

Listen to the podcast. Two of the things that he mentions are not expanding or fragmenting. Two of the things that's kinda common knowledge about about Bergers and the reason I'll never shoot them.
I'm not triggered... but nice attempt. So we got a guy on a podcast that hasn't had one negative thing to say about berger for 12+ years, all of a sudden making the claim right after they get a new business relationship going with another company... and we got a guy here that's never shot bergers and never will, claiming he's right. lol 🤪

Firstly, if those things are true... why did he never mention it in the past decade? Did I miss it?

Secondly, the thing that certain people here claim is "common knowledge," doesn't reconcile with those of us that have never seen it even one time in nearly 20 years of shooting berger bullets.

Maybe there are some Bergers that don't work well. I certainly haven't used them all. Yet all that I have used, do this every time:



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Naw, your not triggered at all. I state my opinion and you call it "pendantric" then go on to claim that since it's never happened to you it never happens.

I can see you in no way will you be objective about this if your opinion is different so please have a good evening.

BTW way to self grandiose. I know that I, for one at least, am very impressed.
 
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You have no way to know my Berger experience. Quit making stupid *** assumptions.

I'll give you the last word. But please phone a friend.

Bye.
 
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Yep those are my words I've shot them in the past and I've seen many clients shoot them (and far, far too many blow ups at close range....I'll never shoot Bergers at game now.

Wanna keep making an *** of yourself. Its kinda entertaining.
 
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You have no way to know my Berger experience. Quit making stupid *** assumptions.

I'll give you the last word. But please phone a friend.

Bye.

Don't let Orkan get to you. He literally has nearly 100 people blocked because he gets triggered so easily.

But he does do some decent rattle can paint jobbers on stocks. Reminds me of BigStick over on 24hr.
 
Yep those are my words I've shot them in the past and I've seen many clients shoot them (and far, far too many blow ups at close range....I'll never shoot Bergers at game now.

Wanna keep making an *** of yourself. Its kinda entertaining.
This reminds me of a Berger penciling through thread about exactly a year ago, O.P. was completely 100% convinced he made a good hit even his buddy heard the "whoop" couldnt have missed only 300 yards well about a week later Buck shows up on his camera perfectly healthy not a scratch.
If he didn't have game cameras out guess what he still would have been convinced the Berger penciled through.
My money is on alot of these pencil through are not as good a hit or miss than the shooter thinks.
 
Trust me I won't let him get to me. I know the type. Someone else warned me privately also. Thank you.

It is fun watching someone trying to make themselves appear to be all knowing by attempting to tear others down. It's definitely a social media thing.

Who knows, maybe he'll actually say something logical sometime I can learn from.
 
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